River Class (OPV) (RN)

[Tempest414]

The fact that Thales have openly said that OPV will now need better radars and self defence is being seen the new Dutch MCMV's and the French PH class the newest small class to start are to be fitted with 4d radar ... NS50...

It looks like City class's main radar is settled down to Scanter-6000 2D radar. Just a note.

Have they gone back on this contact

https://connect.thalesgroup.com/en/news ... afgesloten

https://www.navaltoday.com/2021/01/20/t ... r-program/

[donald_of_tokyo]

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The way I see it is that 3 of the 4 RB2's tasks need ships to be upgraded with a low end 3 or 4 D radar like Sea Giraffe X1 or NS50 a 40mm with 3P and a UAV with a 100km range and 5 to 6 hours on station allowing the ships to have better eyes and ears given this and the fact that the ships are moved round as needed all 5 ships should be given the up upgrade

Thanks. If there be River B1 OPV replacment, I agree to your "all 5 ships should". If 2 or 3 River B2 are to replace 3 River B1, I think not all 5 needs it. Just a big waste of money (including maintenance, support).

[Tempest414]

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The way I see it is that 3 of the 4 RB2's tasks need ships to be upgraded with a low end 3 or 4 D radar like Sea Giraffe X1 or NS50 a 40mm with 3P and a UAV with a 100km range and 5 to 6 hours on station allowing the ships to have better eyes and ears given this and the fact that the ships are moved round as needed all 5 ships should be given the up upgrade

Thanks. If there be River B1 OPV replacment, I agree to your "all 5 ships should". If 2 or 3 River B2 are to replace 3 River B1, I think not all 5 needs it. Just a big waste of money (including maintenance, support).

I would agree with this

[donald_of_tokyo]

The fact that Thales have openly said that OPV will now need better radars and self defence is being seen the new Dutch MCMV's and the French PH class the newest small class to start are to be fitted with 4d radar ... NS50...

It looks like City class's main radar is settled down to Scanter-6000 2D radar. Just a note.

Have they gone back on this contact

https://connect.thalesgroup.com/en/news ... afgesloten

https://www.navaltoday.com/2021/01/20/t ... r-program/

Thanks, so it is BOTH. Date of Terma press release is 26 February 2021. A month AFTER the NG50 news release.

https://www.terma.com/news-events/news/ ... m-program/

[Tempest414]

So could they use the Scanter 6000 to track the ships own USV's & UAV's and the NS50 to watch the overall space around the ship / group and feed the weapons mounts info

[Poiuytrewq]

... I have said for sometime now that the RB2's due to there overseas takings need upgrading with the same NS50 radar plus a UAV and a 40mm with 3P rounds for all round better eyes and ears plus self defence

I agree some of the River B2 needs it, but some do not.

What is a realistic OSD for the RB2’s?

If it’s the mid 2030’s it should be a case of replacing the RB1’s with 3 more capable OPV’s and leave the RB2’s as they are.

Basing 3 in the U.K., 1 in the Falklands and 1 in Gibraltar seems realistic without any need for modifications.

[wargame_insomniac]

... I have said for sometime now that the RB2's due to there overseas takings need upgrading with the same NS50 radar plus a UAV and a 40mm with 3P rounds for all round better eyes and ears plus self defence

I agree some of the River B2 needs it, but some do not.

What is a realistic OSD for the RB2’s?

If it’s the mid 2030’s it should be a case of replacing the RB1’s with 3 more capable OPV’s and leave the RB2’s as they are.

Basing 3 in the U.K., 1 in the Falklands and 1 in Gibraltar seems realistic without any need for modifications.

Are you assuming that other 3*RB2's (the 2 in Indo-Pacific and 1 as WIGS) are being replaced by T31 Frigates?

Or that their current mission is no longer required?

[new guy]

Obviously gapped, as the double crewing requirements to forward base a T31 will cripple the broader surface fleet. It’s madness that we are destroying our minor warship fleet in this way.

[Tempest414]

... I have said for sometime now that the RB2's due to there overseas takings need upgrading with the same NS50 radar plus a UAV and a 40mm with 3P rounds for all round better eyes and ears plus self defence

I agree some of the River B2 needs it, but some do not.

What is a realistic OSD for the RB2’s?

If it’s the mid 2030’s it should be a case of replacing the RB1’s with 3 more capable OPV’s and leave the RB2’s as they are.

Basing 3 in the U.K., 1 in the Falklands and 1 in Gibraltar seems realistic without any need for modifications.

Are you assuming that other 3*RB2's (the 2 in Indo-Pacific and 1 as WIGS) are being replaced by T31 Frigates?

Or that their current mission is no longer required?

No what he is saying is built 3 new RB3's and deploy them 1 on WIGS and 2 in the Indo- Pac with the current RB2's taking up UK-HW , FIGS & Gib

[Poiuytrewq]

Are you assuming that other 3*RB2's (the 2 in Indo-Pacific and 1 as WIGS) are being replaced by T31 Frigates?

Or that their current mission is no longer required?

No what he is saying is built 3 new RB3's and deploy them 1 on WIGS and 2 in the Indo- Pac with the current RB2's taking up UK-HW , FIGS & Gib

The absolute maximum number of T31 forward based at Duqm will be 3 vessels but more likely 2 vessels.

It’s clear that for the foreseeable future the T31’s will be providing choke point escort taskings in the Gulf and Red Sea etc.

Therefore whatever replaces the RB2’s in the Indo Pacific is unlikely to be T31B1’s.

RN can build more T31’s but where are the crews coming from?

A modest class of multi-role OPV with a Wikdcat hangar and a crew allocation of 65 including flight has a clear rationale.

If RN wants to grow rapidly within the current fiscal and headcount parameters this is the easiest way to do it.

[donald_of_tokyo]

[Repulse]

Lots of criticism regarding the armament levels of River class (esp B2) amongst the commentariat. Same commentators strangely silent on armament of foreign comparators.

https://www.defense.gouv.fr/marine/actu ... ste-techer

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrouilleur_Outre-mer

PS I'm not suggesting that Marine Nationale has got it wrong BTW.

The French have now ordered this class of 90m OPV fitted with 4D radar and 40mm

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... ench-navy/

£110mn per OPV, even has a hangar, 40mm gun, lite sam system, sonar and a 3D radar - but I thought that it was impossible to build one at that cost?!…

[Tempest414]

Lots of criticism regarding the armament levels of River class (esp B2) amongst the commentariat. Same commentators strangely silent on armament of foreign comparators.

https://www.defense.gouv.fr/marine/actu ... ste-techer

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrouilleur_Outre-mer

PS I'm not suggesting that Marine Nationale has got it wrong BTW.

The French have now ordered this class of 90m OPV fitted with 4D radar and 40mm

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... ench-navy/

£110mn per OPV, even has a hangar, 40mm gun, lite sam system, sonar and a 3D radar - but I thought that it was impossible to build one at that cost?!…

No not impossible when a yard is hot and back by its government so if Babcock's could get hold of the right design with little or no changes they may be able to build a OPV with NS50 , 40mm and a hangar for 120 to 140 million as they did build the Samuel Beckett-class for 72 million Euro

[SW1]

Lots of criticism regarding the armament levels of River class (esp B2) amongst the commentariat. Same commentators strangely silent on armament of foreign comparators.

https://www.defense.gouv.fr/marine/actu ... ste-techer

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrouilleur_Outre-mer

PS I'm not suggesting that Marine Nationale has got it wrong BTW.

The French have now ordered this class of 90m OPV fitted with 4D radar and 40mm

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... ench-navy/

£110mn per OPV, even has a hangar, 40mm gun, lite sam system, sonar and a 3D radar - but I thought that it was impossible to build one at that cost?!…

You can’t and they aren’t. This is the 3rd contract the French procurement agency have released in relation to this ship the previous ones in 2020 and 2021. There maybe more in the future.

[Repulse]

Lots of criticism regarding the armament levels of River class (esp B2) amongst the commentariat. Same commentators strangely silent on armament of foreign comparators.

https://www.defense.gouv.fr/marine/actu ... ste-techer

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrouilleur_Outre-mer

PS I'm not suggesting that Marine Nationale has got it wrong BTW.

The French have now ordered this class of 90m OPV fitted with 4D radar and 40mm

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... ench-navy/

£110mn per OPV, even has a hangar, 40mm gun, lite sam system, sonar and a 3D radar - but I thought that it was impossible to build one at that cost?!…

You can’t and they aren’t. This is the 3rd contract the French procurement agency have released in relation to this ship the previous ones in 2020 and 2021. There maybe more in the future.

Please share the links

[SW1]

Lots of criticism regarding the armament levels of River class (esp B2) amongst the commentariat. Same commentators strangely silent on armament of foreign comparators.

https://www.defense.gouv.fr/marine/actu ... ste-techer

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrouilleur_Outre-mer

PS I'm not suggesting that Marine Nationale has got it wrong BTW.

The French have now ordered this class of 90m OPV fitted with 4D radar and 40mm

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... ench-navy/

£110mn per OPV, even has a hangar, 40mm gun, lite sam system, sonar and a 3D radar - but I thought that it was impossible to build one at that cost?!…

You can’t and they aren’t. This is the 3rd contract the French procurement agency have released in relation to this ship the previous ones in 2020 and 2021. There maybe more in the future.

Please share the links

Done this already either somewhere in this thread or one of the other one this very thing was mentioned on.

[Repulse]

Done this already either somewhere in this thread or one of the other one this very thing was mentioned on.

Ok, will have to go trawling through your posts then, as every source I can find printed and on the web says the 900mn covers three contracts, the build, PM and Thales kit.

[donald_of_tokyo]

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[donald_of_tokyo]

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