Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]

[Caribbean]

We had the chance to really standardise and we blew it....

We should have had...

27mm - Including on RN vessels...the German's managed it...would also fit in the F-35 gun pod if we ever purchased any...
40mm CT - RN and Army
105mm - Army and RM
120mm Tank - Army
155mm - RN, RM and Army - Using the TMF designs

Add in 40mm grenade, 51/60 Mortar, 81mm Mortar and 120mm Mortar and thats it....thats all the explosive carrying gun/indirect fire calibres you need. The only other calibre I'd be willing to see would be 76mm on smaller vessels and in Army use as an AA gun...(like the Otomatic). But thats marginal....

40mm CTA, 105mm, 120mm, 155mm, 81mm mortar, 12.7mm plus small arms ammunition is all produced in the UK.

BAE also produce 114mm naval, but I'm not sure if that is in the UK

[new guy]

Is all the 20mm and 30mm ammo sourced in the UK?

30mm Rarden and 30mm KCB is produced in the UK by BAE - not sure about 20mm. BAE say they are the principle supplier to the MOD, but don't explicitly say where they manufacture it.

I know they also recently stood up a 12.7mm production line & have increased 155mm production 8-fold (still only c. 100k rounds/year, though)

rooting for 100k a month.

[Caribbean]

rooting for 100k a month.

Now that would be a meaningful quantity

[new guy]

rooting for 100k a month.

Now that would be a meaningful quantity

I mean Ukraine needs 600k a month. right now it is consuming ~100k a month.
Stocks are emptying fast.
US has a goal for 80,000 shells a month
EU 83,000 a month.
Theoretically, we could in EOS produce 100,000-200,000 shells a month for £1.2bn a year.
should at least embarrass the US to do more .
all we need to do is increase production by x120-240, and develop a shell guidance system that only costs £100.
easy right?

Also, Ukraine should make their kamikaze drones dive before target, to surpass defences and more importantly instead of making a hole in a ships hull, break its back and sink it.

maybe 100 for £10m? send 10 batches of 100? go hunting in packs of 10? Get one of their small boats to sail near syria and maybe give a ride to their kamikaze drones along the way?

[SKB]

You're way off topic again...

[Jackstar]

https://www.ap-group.co.uk/news/a-p-tyn ... ne-vessels

[tomuk]

https://www.ap-group.co.uk/news/a-p-tyn ... ne-vessels

For those of you not wanting to follow the link. A&P Tyne have produced lower units for HMS Belfast which have already been delivered andd Cammell Laird will be producing similar for Ship 4 HMS Birmingham. They will also be joining their units together so one might class that as a block.

[SKB]

It's helpful to others to write a brief explanation accompanying links of what the link is actually about.

[SKB]

Navy Lookout's guide to the T26.

(Navy Lookout) 31st December 2022
00:00 - Introduction
01:40 - Propulsion System
04:00 - The platform
05:33 - Flexible Mission Bay
07:19 - Weapons
10:12 - Sensors and Combat Management System
12:17 - Decoys
13:50 - End

[SKB]

I've just realised that the Type 26 pennant numbers are a reuse of the old T22 Broadsword class numbers.
The eighth T22 was HMS London (F95). By luck or coincidence, the new eighth T26 is also to be HMS London, presumably to reuse the same F95 pennant number too!

Batch 1
1. HMS Glasgow (F88). Ordered: 2/7/2017. Laid Down: 20/7/2017. Launched: 25/11/2022. Commissioned: Expected 2026. Status: Fitting Out
2. HMS Cardiff (F89). Ordered: 2/7/2017. Laid Down: 14/8/2019. Launched: ?. Commissioned: Expected 2028. Status: Under construction
3. HMS Belfast (F90). Ordered: 2/7/2027. Laid Down: 29/6/2021. Launched: ?. Commissioned: Expected 2030. Status: Under construction

Batch 2
4. HMS Birmingham (F91?). Ordered: 15/11/2022. Laid Down: 4/4/2023. Launched: ?. Commissioned: From 2030. Status: Under Construction.
5. HMS Sheffield (F92?). Ordered 15/11/2022. Laid Down: ?. Launched: ?. Commissioned: From 2030. Status: Ordered.
6. HMS Newcastle (F93?). Ordered 15/11/2022. Laid Down: ?. Launched: ?. Commissioned: From 2030. Status: Ordered.
7. HMS Edinburgh (F94?). Ordered 15/11/2022. Laid Down: ?. Launched: ?. Commissioned: From 2030. Status: Ordered.
8. HMS London (F95?). Ordered 15/11/2022. Laid Down: ?. Launched: ?. Commissioned: From 2030. Status: Ordered.

[shark bait]

Canmmell Laird and A&P are building blocks for future T26 batches, much like how the carriers were built.

https://www.thebusinessdesk.com/northwe ... 6-frigates

Leads on from what was said on another thread;

I recall a briefing on this topic at Barrow, and we were told in no uncertain terms, this is not a shipbuilding company we're a weapons systems integration company and anything that doesn't have super advanced systems on it well we're not interested, Khareef lost alot of money, we are not going back there

[Caribbean]

blocks for future T26 batches

Batches? Plural? Be still, my beating heart!

[Tempest414]

Canmmell Laird and A&P are building blocks for future T26 batches, much like how the carriers were built.

https://www.thebusinessdesk.com/northwe ... 6-frigates

Leads on from what was said on another thread;

I recall a briefing on this topic at Barrow, and we were told in no uncertain terms, this is not a shipbuilding company we're a weapons systems integration company and anything that doesn't have super advanced systems on it well we're not interested, Khareef lost alot of money, we are not going back there

Where did it say future batches of type 26 in this peace?

[tomuk]

Canmmell Laird and A&P are building blocks for future T26 batches, much like how the carriers were built.

https://www.thebusinessdesk.com/northwe ... 6-frigates

Leads on from what was said on another thread;

I recall a briefing on this topic at Barrow, and we were told in no uncertain terms, this is not a shipbuilding company we're a weapons systems integration company and anything that doesn't have super advanced systems on it well we're not interested, Khareef lost alot of money, we are not going back there

Where did it say future batches of type 26 in this peace?

As I said earlier in the thread A&P have already built units for HMS Belfast and Cammel Laird will build the same units albeit joined into a block for ship 4 that is all that has been announced.

[Jackstar]

https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/composi ... s-cardiff/

[Digger22]

Can someone start a New Hunter thread please. I find all this chat about the Aus program dull.
I believe this is the UK Defence Forum?? They may be T26 derived, but these are Australian ships.

[SKB]

Seconded.
Take the Australian/Hunter/Vegemite/TimTams/Neighbours chat to the Australia thread please.

[The Armchair Soldier]

Please take all Australian Type 26 frigate discussion to the Australian Defence Forces topic linked above by SKB. I'll be moving the last few posts over to that topic. Thanks.

[new guy]

Late 2024-early 25.

[NickC]

Danish manufacturer Terma has been awarded an order to supply ten SCANTER 6000 radars to equip five the Batch II T26s

The Scanter 6000 is a X-band solid state 2D radar operating in the 9250 – 9500MHz / 3cm range with max elevation <35 deg, instrumented range 96 nm, with ECCM (Electronic Counter Counter Measure) - counter jamming from EW is suppressed by low-side-lobe antennas, waveform diversity, pulse compression, reduced power sectors, spread spectrum transmission, interference filtering, and Pulse Repetition Frequency (PRF) staggering.

Purpose is to provide navigation, surface search and short-medium range air surveillance, detecting and tracking small targets, drones, helicopters and aircraft with maximum target track velocity 500m/s - Mach 1.5 (configurable) from the vessel side and all the way to the radar horizon, specifically tailored for small target detection in rough weather conditions. Capable of providing simultaneous small target detection, able to detect, track and classify small or remote-controlled drones and helicopter guidance/control, typical detection envelope of small to medium size helicopters is >15nmi up to an altitude of >2000ft

No mention if IFF will be fitted and presume it will not be integrated with the BAE CMS for fire control of the Sea Ceptor against sea skimming AShM and is purely a stand alone system.

https://www.defense-aerospace.com/terma ... -frigates/

[tomuk]

No mention if IFF will be fitted and presume it will not be integrated with the BAE CMS for fire control of the Sea Ceptor against sea skimming AShM and is purely a stand alone system.

IFF is provided by Artisan and the Anshultz Integrated Bridge System which is being fitted to T26 and T31 and which is an evolution of the system fitted to Type 45 and can feed\share the data from the Nav\Surveillance radars, Scanter 6002 and Hensoldt(Kelvin Hughes) Sharpeye into the CMS.

[Jdam]

A little update from a few hours ago.

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[donald_of_tokyo]

HMS Cardiff under build is "covered" in ~50% of the area. Almost totally covered... Interesting, as a temporary measure.

[wargame_insomniac]

HMS Cardiff under build is "covered" in ~50% of the area. Almost totally covered... Interesting, as a temporary measure.

Polystyrene as the new stealth coating??!!

[shark bait]

Hard to understate what a massive upgrade both the T26 and the 'frigate factory' are.

Shame like many things in the UK is all happens too late.