Future Solid Support Ship

[new guy]

Here I assume the 2nd hull’s crew comes from disbanding Argus.

If the RFA headcount issues can’t be resolved by 2032 they never will be.

The thing is that all of this is only for numbers of a hundred or so. The RFA would 'only' have to gain 1,000 extra people and this would be solved. In the scale of things, 1k is nothing. Even worse, If your in a situation for an organisation as big as the RN/MOD/UKPLC/the whole 68+million brits, and you struggle to find the than 100 people, then you know you have very big problems ahead.

[donald_of_tokyo]

Here I assume the 2nd hull’s crew comes from disbanding Argus.

If the RFA headcount issues can’t be resolved by 2032 they never will be.

The thing is that all of this is only for numbers of a hundred or so. The RFA would 'only' have to gain 1,000 extra people and this would be solved. In the scale of things, 1k is nothing. Even worse, If your in a situation for an organisation as big as the RN/MOD/UKPLC/the whole 68+million brits, and you struggle to find the than 100 people, then you know you have very big problems ahead.

Just skilled naval people is more needed in business word, and MOD is not providing good enough pay.

[shark bait]

In the scale of things, 1k is nothing.

A thousand people will cost nearly £100 million a year.

That's a lot of money, and at the same time nothing compared to what the MOD pisses away.

MOD is not providing good enough pay.

Not by a long way! Especially in technical roles where an engineer will earn double in the private sector, plus more time at home, plus greater progression, plus no chance of going to war.

The Navy/MOD can't compete for talent.

[new guy]

In the scale of things, 1k is nothing.

A thousand people will cost nearly £100 million a year.

That's a lot of money, and at the same time nothing compared to what the MOD pisses away.

MOD is not providing good enough pay.

Not by a long way! Especially in technical roles where an engineer will earn double in the private sector, plus more time at home, plus greater progression, plus no chance of going to war.

The Navy/MOD can't compete for talent.

If it is nearly £100m a year, then the MoD spends 30bn a year on personnel, which I think is probably much less.

[donald_of_tokyo]

[Poiuytrewq]

That’s the RFA recruitment and retention issue solved!

[Tempest414]

Nice video from Naval news with SSS

[Poiuytrewq]

Nice video from Naval news with SSS

The workshare for Cadiz looks very generous and as expected Appledore gets the Bow section. Good news!

[shark bait]

Nice video, I like the details on what will be built where;

[dmereifield]

I forget, has it been confirmed as 2 or 3 ships?

[Jdam]

So whats that about 60% built in Spain?

I cant remember what the original split was.

[SKB]

Should've been planned to be built entirely in the UK. The Spanish can't even build holiday villas or hotel rooms well...

[Tempest414]

Nice video, I like the details on what will be built where;

Great image but remember he said from ship two bottom of the middle section will be built by H&W as well

[Tempest414]

She will also be a beast at 216 by 35 meters

[shark bait]

I think it's good, and there will be slightly more for the Belfast on ship 2.

It's pretty much setting up a shipyard from scratch, so trusting them with even more would sound foolish.

[Poiuytrewq]

I think it's good, and there will be slightly more for the Belfast on ship 2.

It's pretty much setting up a shipyard from scratch, so trusting them with even more would sound foolish.

Agreed.

The priority is to have a fully functional shipyard at the completion of FSS. The skills transfer from Navantia will be extremely useful.

Also helps to keep a clear sense of perspective over Gibraltar.

[donald_of_tokyo]

FSSS. Crew size 101. This is the most significant point for me.

For Vic needs 134 souls, to my understanding.

[jedibeeftrix]

I forget, has it been confirmed as 2 or 3 ships?

i think the contract award earlier in the year said 3.

[SD67]

It looks good. Once the assembly and integration are included it's probably 60% UK over the course of the contract, and frankly you wouldn't want to try for anything more, it would be asking for trouble.

If Team Resolute pull this off and at the end of the contract there's a fully functioning shipyard in Belfast capable of building ships that big - who knows, why not get back into cruise liners, they already service them. Start of a beautiful friendship

[Poiuytrewq]

It looks good. Once the assembly and integration are included it's probably 60% UK over the course of the contract, and frankly you wouldn't want to try for anything more, it would be asking for trouble.

If Team Resolute pull this off and at the end of the contract there's a fully functioning shipyard in Belfast capable of building ships that big - who knows, why not get back into cruise liners, they already service them. Start of a beautiful friendship

Completely agree.

The UK needs a big, well diversified commercial yard. Rosyth and Govan aren’t really suitable and it could have been Cammell Laird but Belfast got the nod.

H&W must make it work now. I don’t think they will get another chance like this.

[new guy]

Should've been planned to be built entirely in the UK. The Spanish can't even build holiday villas or hotel rooms well...

Neither can a until-2years ago-dormant shipyard can it?

[new guy]

I forget, has it been confirmed as 2 or 3 ships?

3

[SD67]

Should've been planned to be built entirely in the UK. The Spanish can't even build holiday villas or hotel rooms well...

Neither can a until-2years ago-dormant shipyard can it?

Personally I think we are really fortunate that a world class operator like Navntia is serious about partnering with UK shipbuilding. Obviously they're not doing it out of charity, but they seem to be making all the right noises. My only worry is how their people will handle the weather - suspect it may be more a case of H&W people sent to Cadiz LOL

[donald_of_tokyo]

It looks good. Once the assembly and integration are included it's probably 60% UK over the course of the contract, and frankly you wouldn't want to try for anything more, it would be asking for trouble.

If Team Resolute pull this off and at the end of the contract there's a fully functioning shipyard in Belfast capable of building ships that big - who knows, why not get back into cruise liners, they already service them. Start of a beautiful friendship

Looks like all 3 hulls’ stern sections are to be built at Spain?

Then, Belfast gains zero experience on engine, intake-exhausts, shafts, ladders, bridges, all the heart of a “ship”.

Long road to go through, to get to be able get full ship order?

[new guy]

It looks good. Once the assembly and integration are included it's probably 60% UK over the course of the contract, and frankly you wouldn't want to try for anything more, it would be asking for trouble.

If Team Resolute pull this off and at the end of the contract there's a fully functioning shipyard in Belfast capable of building ships that big - who knows, why not get back into cruise liners, they already service them. Start of a beautiful friendship

Looks like all 3 hulls’ stern sections are to be built at Spain?

Then, Belfast gains zero experience on engine, intake-exhausts, shafts, ladders, bridges, all the heart of a “ship”.

Long road to go through, to get to be able get full ship order?

fitting out?