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How do you feel about the F-35B for the RN and RAF? (2 votes per member)

GOOD choice for the Royal Navy
118
44%
BAD choice for the Royal Navy
10
4%
Uncertain (RN)
14
5%
GOOD choice for the Royal Air Force
48
18%
BAD choice for the Royal Air Force
36
14%
Uncertain (RAF)
40
15%
 
Total votes: 266

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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

Postby bobp » 13 Mar 2019, 14:05

Italy in trouble over F35 payments and may cut orders




http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articl ... eview.html

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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

Postby ArmChairCivvy » 13 Mar 2019, 18:20

Twitter vs. Facebook (politicians):
"Nothing is yet known about the contents and conclusions of the review, but the government's will to review Italy’s participation in the program remains unchanged. It will have to be discussed at presidential level Italian Premier Giuseppe Conte and Donald Trump. "

Brilliant idea to sink bns (?) into the Cameri plant, and then not buy aircraft

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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

Postby Ron5 » 13 Mar 2019, 18:55

bobp wrote:Italy in trouble over F35 payments and may cut orders




http://www.defense-aerospace.com/articl ... eview.html


FWIW don't know about this story but that site has a long history of providing unreliable information.

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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

Postby RetroSicotte » 14 Mar 2019, 10:21

Ron5 wrote:FWIW don't know about this story but that site has a long history of providing unreliable information.

That site often seems more concerned with French = Good, All else = Bad than about reliable news, I find.

There's some hilarious mental gymnastics it goes through to that end at times.

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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

Postby imperialman » 14 Mar 2019, 12:00

It's run by frequent anti-F35 tweeter Giovanni de Briganti (@JoedeBrig on Twitter), so take that as you will.

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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

Postby SW1 » 14 Mar 2019, 16:21

(ANSA) - Rome, March 12 - Air Force Chief of Staff General Alberto Rosso told parliament on Tuesday that Italy has not paid "389 million euros in invoices issued in 2018" by Lockheed Martin for F35 fighter jets. Reporting to a joint session of the Lower House and Senate defence committees, Rosso expressed "major concern about uncertainty over the programme" and the "hypothesis of a quantitative reduction" in the number of aircraft Italy will buy.
The general said the alternative would be "older and more expensive" aircraft. The Air Force chief said that "this aircraft is the future.
"Any slowdown or fall in the number would be worrying not just for us, but also for the nation's industry, given the economic impact of the programme".

http://www.ansa.it/english/news/science ... 6f776.html

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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

Postby SKB » 14 Mar 2019, 19:42

I would remind people that this thread is only for the UK's F-35B aircraft. This thread is in the UK Equipment section.
If you have international news of the F-35A/B/C, please use the international threads. Thankyou.

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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

Postby downsizer » 14 Mar 2019, 20:09

SKB wrote:I would remind people that this thread is only for the UK's F-35B aircraft. This thread is in the UK Equipment section.
If you have international news of the F-35A/B/C, please use the international threads. Thankyou.


I would remind you that you are not a mod. But that would be pointless because you think you are. :roll: :lol:

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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

Postby SKB » 14 Mar 2019, 20:12

I know I am not a moderator, but this is a UK F-35B thread in the UK Equipment section. I know this because it was I who created this thread.

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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

Postby downsizer » 14 Mar 2019, 20:47

Good for you. Remind us again what percentage of threads across the forum were started by you? You had the stat a while ago..... :think:

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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

Postby RetroSicotte » 15 Mar 2019, 08:12

What affects F-35s worldwide affects the UK's F-35s, both in service and via possibilities.

Personally, I see no reason to split discussion in this regard in two. If enough people feel otherwise, then happy to consider.

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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

Postby ArmChairCivvy » 15 Mar 2019, 08:24

RetroSicotte wrote:What affects F-35s worldwide affects the UK's F-35s, both in service and via possibilities

Yep, we are past the stage when we had a clear 'say' as Tier1 Partner.

And then there is that 'global support model' and interoperability ... et al ;)

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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

Postby downsizer » 15 Mar 2019, 14:30

Thirded.

What does the thread starter think tho?

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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

Postby bobp » 15 Mar 2019, 21:20

I agree with above its all relevant. One day Italian F35B operating with ours and perhaps others.

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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

Postby Timmymagic » 18 Mar 2019, 15:46

Some good news. Spear, Meteor and Paveway IV Penetrator on the way for UK F-35B.


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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

Postby Lord Jim » 20 Mar 2019, 15:31

How far along its development path is SPEAR?

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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

Postby NickC » 21 Mar 2019, 11:36

It has been revealed that USAF is working on version of USN’s Advanced Anti-Radiation Guided Missile-Extended Range, AARGM-ER to fit in the F-35A weapons bay, called the Stand In Attack Weapon, SiAW

The AARGM-ER sized to fit inside the weapon bays of the F-35C or externally and said can fitted externally to F-35B, though if carried externally will seriously degrade its stealth capabilities.

The AARGM-ER said to have between 20 to 50% longer range from the Mach 2 AGM-88E Advanced Anti-Radiation Guided Missile (AARGM), the latest variant of High-Speed Anti-Radiation Missile (HARM).

To make it more effective and not just target active radar in light of the experience in 1999 when the Serbians shot down a F-117A by turning radar on only when needed, it has multi-mode guidance capability that includes a GPS assisted inertial navigation system and a millimeter wave radar seeker to use against a variety of time-sensitive targets, allows the missiles to hit targets that have stopped emitting RF, or may never have been emitting in the first place, or simply to hit a specific location based on intel. The missile has a two-way data link so can feed it new target information in flight from the launching aircraft or another source.

Sadly the ALARM missile was officially retired by the UK at the end of 2013 and never replaced, but said to be continued in use by the Saudis. The AARGM-ER must be near top of the RAF/RN wish list for the F-35Bs.
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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

Postby Lord Jim » 22 Mar 2019, 01:28

Could this have an anti AWACS capability?

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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

Postby Timmymagic » 22 Mar 2019, 11:54

Lord Jim wrote:Could this have an anti AWACS capability?


Technically yes. But the MMW seeker on AARGM-ER is configured for ground targets, as soon as the AWACS shuts its radar off it won't be able to home.

But it also doesn't out-range or go faster than Meteor so would have no real benefit to the UK. The sole benefit to it is the larger warhead, but realistically a Meteor will down any aircraft out there with 1 hit.

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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

Postby SW1 » 22 Mar 2019, 16:18

Was the old saying prepare 8 taxi 4 launch 2!

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/2 ... nt-of-time

Newly available data shows that less than 15 percent of the U.S. Marine Corps F-35B Joint Strike Fighters and around just two percent of the U.S. Navy's F-35Cs were fully mission capable at any given time, on average, for more than two years at least. The details come as the readiness rates for aviation fleets across both services have plummeted in recent years. It is also a clear indication that they will have a difficult time meeting the target of 80 percent mission capability rates for both aircraft by the end of the 2019 Fiscal Year that former Secretary of Defense James Mattis had mandated.

"In response to POGO’s questions about the Navy’s fully mission capable rates, the Joint Program Office highlighted the entire F-35 fleet’s higher “mission capable” rate," Dan Grazier, the Jack Shanahan Military Fellow at the Center for Defense Information at POGO, wrote in a detailed status update on the F-35 program as a whole on the organization's website. This is "a less rigorous – and less useful – measure showing how often the aircraft can perform at least one of its assigned tasks. The office also identified the lack of spare parts as the biggest factor impacting availability."

The data that POGO obtained on full mission capable F-35Bs and Cs, also commonly known as "Code One" aircraft, is truly striking. The average number of fully mission capable Marine F-35Bs, aircraft with all of their systems functional and capable of meeting all mission requirements, never rose above 25 percent in more than two years. In October 2017, it dipped to 12.9 percent and by the end of 2018 it was hovering somewhere around 12 to 13 percent.

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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

Postby RetroSicotte » 22 Mar 2019, 16:58

Now compare that with availability of each new generation of fighter during its first entry to service.

Until we know that level of comparison, these reports are pretty much just scaremongering without anything to show this is anything different from normal.

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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

Postby SW1 » 22 Mar 2019, 17:19

RetroSicotte wrote:Now compare that with availability of each new generation of fighter during its first entry to service.

Until we know that level of comparison, these reports are pretty much just scaremongering without anything to show this is anything different from normal.


The marine declared IOC 4 years ago and Elgin afb began receiving its jets 8 years ago, with over 350 a/c delivered worldwide its not like it was just delivered last year.

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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

Postby topman » 22 Mar 2019, 17:28

The way the test and delivery phase ran side by side it was always going to end up like this for the first few years. No real surprises.

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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

Postby SW1 » 22 Mar 2019, 17:47

topman wrote:The way the test and delivery phase ran side by side it was always going to end up like this for the first few years. No real surprises.


Yes the run before we can walk strategy!


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