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Has anyone spotted a similar image of the Oman facility... there have been some Google images of the wider area
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ArmChairCivvy wrote:Has anyone spotted a similar image of the Oman facility... there have been some Google images of the wider area
I've only seen these. From what I remember the QE Class will not be able to come alongside due to the depth restrictions but can use the facilities.

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International warships, including RFA Cardigan Bay and HMS Dragon, moored in Bahrain [Picture: Mass Communication Specialist 1st Class Michael Sandberg, US Navy]
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PhillyJ wrote:I've only seen these. From what I remember the QE Class will not be able to come alongside due to the depth restrictions but can use the facilities.
The question is refering to Duqm in Oman rather than Bahrain. It's a deep water port and apparently QE can not only berth but be dry-docked there - using existing facilities rather than anything bespoke.

https://www.duqm1.com/2017/08/duqm-to-a ... p-hms.html

But it looks like a God awful run ashore.

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RichardIC wrote: a God awful run ashore.
A good thing we might have some land power around there, too, so that the carrier will not change hands overnight:
the proposed building material distribution centre will provide everything (for the construction sector), from steel bar to furniture.



Since Duqm has a fully fledged port facility, import and export will be much easy.

The building material distribution centre is part of the 10 projects planned by Chinese companies in Duqm and is coming up within the China Oman Industrial Park, which has a huge area of 11.72 square kilometres."
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Don't see either a T45 or a Bay along side in the above pic. A USN San Antonia lpd yes but no big UK stuff.

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(Lockheed Martin) 6 Nov 2018
Bryan Dowling is the Lockheed Martin aircraft supervisor for BF-5, one of the F-35Bs conducting testing aboard the ship. In this role, he works above the flight deck with a focus on the safety of the jet, crew and pilot.

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PhillyJ wrote:I'm assuming it's not finished yet! I guess those pesky eels have stopped 'shagging' and work can continue. Picture below shows the 2 QE class in harbour, it seems one jetty will not be as long as the other due to constraints of the historic dockyard but will be fine.
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hovematlot wrote:Work on HMS Prince Of Wales Jetty has started.
Is that to be the new southern end of Victory Jetty? It'll block the Camber and King's Stairs. Already a tight squeeze in and out for small boats.

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SKB wrote:Is that to be the new southern end of Victory Jetty? It'll block the Camber and King's Steps. Already a tight squeeze in an out for small boats.
It looks like one of Victory's masts in the background, so would indicate the Southern end.

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Off interest to many , a programme on the BBC i player i found. Some good shots of Hms Prince of Wales at Rosyth.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0bqs96t

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RichardIC wrote:The question is refering to Duqm in Oman rather than Bahrain. It's a deep water port and apparently QE can not only berth but be dry-docked there - using existing facilities rather than anything bespoke.
Ah sorry, my mistake. Got a bit bored waiting for something to run at work and found these which I think are the right ones.
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So we have the 'first right of refusal' to the outermost pier?
- where is the dry dock? It can take QEs (and won't sink, like the one in Russia)?
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SKB wrote:
hovematlot wrote:Work on HMS Prince Of Wales Jetty has started.
Is that to be the new southern end of Victory Jetty? It'll block the Camber and King's Steps. Already a tight squeeze in an out for small boats.
I think this is actually just a dolphin and not part of a bigger jetty. Just for the carriers stern or head ropes.

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Tonight (7th Nov) BBC FOUR 2200 - Captain Jack and the Furious Few. Documentary about a pioneering naval aviator from Northern Ireland. Has a lot of footage of HMS Prince of Wales

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hovematlot wrote:Captain Jack and the Furious Few
I recently read Guy Warner's biography of Jack based on Jack's many letters. Rather boring I'm afraid.

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Tidespring has taken Tiderace's place for Westlant18

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(Forces TV) 9 Nov 2018
This time next year, it is hoped that the UK's next aircraft carrier, HMS Prince of Wales, will leave Rosyth dockyard to begin sea trials. The second Queen Elizabeth-class aircraft carrier is in the final stages of construction in Scotland and has been designed to carry the F-35B aircraft.

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^ Fascinating. I had no idea that the ski jump is cambered, with port/left/outer side lower than the starboard/right/inner side.

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Port/Left/Outer side & Starboard/Right/Inner side I think you meant to say. Too many Pink Plymouths perhaps?

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Later noted by the author of the tweet that its the Michael Monsoor. And a Burke Class leading. Taken from the Tidespring I believe.


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In related news....


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SDL wrote:In related news....


I wonder when the order will come for the additional 15 to get the magical 48 enough for 4 Squadrons?

Did that contract come with future options or do the have to make new contracts also are you guys using FMS?

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They are merely sticking to the planned procurement profile established with Main Gate 5 and already reported on by the NAO.

BK-36 to BK-42 follow in Lot 15 with BK-43 to BK-48 in Lot 16. By January 2025, if there are no delays to deliveries, the 48 will have been handed over.
48 enough for 4 Squadrons?
In which metrical system would they be enough...?
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R686 wrote:are you guys using FMS?
Level 1 Partner does not pay those fees; don't know about the other levels.
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