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Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Jake1992 » 22 Sep 2018, 18:47

Tempest414 wrote:
benny14 wrote:Of the two Tornado squadrons, one is converting to Typhoon and the other to Protector. The two Typhoon T1 squadrons will transition to F-35 in the late 2020s or 2030s.


!2 Sqn moved from Tornado to typhoon in Aug this year and 9 Sqn converts next year. As for F-35 I can say now the RAF will do what it can to hinder carrier ops and the carrier will always take second place as far as the RAF is concerned


This is my fear the carriers are going to be first line in deffence and attack yet because of inter service rivalry they will be hampered, this is why I am very shock that the F35Bs are not joint ownership be firmly believe they should be

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby serge750 » 22 Sep 2018, 19:07

I think a lot of people are disappointed with the RAF owning all the F35 cards, myself included, but since the RN don't have to buy the F35's that leaves their money for ships etc & the RAF have the prestige of owning them,

Also if the F35's are needed far away from the Uk landbases it gives the RAF publicity of using them!

I do hope that in the future the FAA get a couple of sqaudrons just for carrier duties, with the RAF as a surge capacity as in the falklands, but doubtful...

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby SW1 » 22 Sep 2018, 19:12

Benny

If that’s what your waiting in your in for a long wait, 3 and 4 if they every happen will be way way into the 2030s

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby benny14 » 23 Sep 2018, 00:47

SW1 wrote:If that’s what your waiting in your in for a long wait, 3 and 4 if they every happen will be way way into the 2030s

All depends on what the buy rate is after the initial 48.

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Postby SKB » 23 Sep 2018, 00:59


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(Alan @Hunterr1) Found in a tweet ^

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Postby ArmChairCivvy » 23 Sep 2018, 06:53

benny14 wrote:depends on what the buy rate is


To be frank, it is not worth buying more until these things (ainonline June reporting from Farnborough) have been tested, not in isolation (unit test with the engine in 2019) but with proper integration test (that is only starting next year with the newest - once again patched - 3F incarnation of JSF).

"P&W is offering the new optional package as a result of the perceived need for an improved power and thermal management system (PTMS) to accompany the upgrades to the F-35 that Lockheed Martin is proposing. Lockheed Martin describes these as a continuous capability development and delivery (C2D2) strategy, but some are also known as the Block 4 upgrade. The upgrade program is scheduled to begin next year but is still under negotiation by the F-35 Joint Program Office.

The Growth Option 2.0 upgrades will result from P&W’s adaptive-cycle R&D effort focusing on third-airstream capability, adaptive-cycle controls, and new materials, with the company planning to “take the technologies as they mature and insert them into existing engines,”

So, 2019 (at least) for both the integrated SW and the new engine, in isolation. Then P&W says 4 years for the actual prgrm, to get a production rate engine
... and voi la! It will be 2024, when we are due to complete with deliveries in Jan. The rest of the decade might be taken up by the upgrades needed to be made to the early batch - who knows?

A mere coincidence? Or keeping mushrooms in the dark and (drip)feeding with... :D
- whether we have any money or not; that's the question :(
- at least we will have put ourselves into a position where there are real (VFM & mature) options :thumbup:

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Postby seaspear » 23 Sep 2018, 07:20

Most of the comment on the capability of the carrier centres around the f35b quite rightly of course , but as a carrier of the Merlin able to hold several at a time working with two type 23 s it could provide a very effective asw patrol 24/7

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Postby whitelancer » 23 Sep 2018, 09:09

One thing you don't want to do with your strike carrier is go sub hunting. A lesson from history!

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Postby Scimitar54 » 23 Sep 2018, 10:23

Quite obviously you do want to hunt for any enemy submarines in the vicinity of the carrier, but you do not want to use the carrier to act as a "Sub Hunter" because that is not it's purpose.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby benny14 » 23 Sep 2018, 11:26

ArmChairCivvy wrote:A mere coincidence? Or keeping mushrooms in the dark and (drip)feeding with... :D

Our last 48 orders should be delivered by 2023, 2024 at the latest. By that date they will have negotiated the next batch of purchases to follow on. Obviously dependent on what the total planned numbers are by then and how quickly we can afford to buy them.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby SW1 » 23 Sep 2018, 11:39

The current 10 year equipment plan doesn’t cover any additional fighter purchases beyond the 48 and it runs several years past 2023/4. Out of which budget do you think project tempest will get the majority of its funds?do you think there will room for much else in combat air?

With both type 26 and successor taking a large chunk of procurement budget in this time frame as well I see little head room appearing.

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Postby seaspear » 23 Sep 2018, 11:44

I would not suggest the carrier as a sole function sub hunter , the mix of aviation assets carried will be aimed per task the amount of Merlin's carried will be critical in some sense to the defence of the group as the f35 if the carrier were not to carry the Merlin's and to rely on the asw frigates that have one or two Merlin's that would not likely mean 24/7 availability of helicopter coverage when you consider the downtime after flight of a helicopter

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby SW1 » 23 Sep 2018, 12:04

I will add this also before we get into its all the RAFs fault about numbers ect. The fleet air arm purchased 56 FA2 sea harriers and used 2 operational sqns will f35 is newer and attrition buy will be less it would be a point of reference to what was regularly deployed.

Seaspear i would say your correct but I would suggest the carrier will always carry merlins.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby CameronPerson » 24 Sep 2018, 14:19



I suspect this forum will go into meltdown when their guests do arrive.. :crazy:

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Digger22 » 24 Sep 2018, 16:33

I'm sure we have discussed this before, but what is that little lift for visible in that shot. HMWHS pops up into the islands and hanger, I didn't think it came up to such an exposed position?

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby CameronPerson » 24 Sep 2018, 18:36

Digger22 wrote:I'm sure we have discussed this before, but what is that little lift for visible in that shot. HMWHS pops up into the islands and hanger, I didn't think it came up to such an exposed position?


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This is the HMWHS lift from the magazine, as you say the lift on the flight deck doesn’t look sturdy enough to be involved with weapon handling. Haven’t been able to find anything relating to that part of the flight deck though. I think we have discussed it but I can’t recall..

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Wrekin1410 » 24 Sep 2018, 19:22

Digger22 wrote:I'm sure we have discussed this before, but what is that little lift for visible in that shot. HMWHS pops up into the islands and hanger, I didn't think it came up to such an exposed position?


I read something about this recently but can’t remember the exact source. The article stated it’s for striking general stores that are airlifted onto the flight deck.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby Digger22 » 24 Sep 2018, 20:05

Makes sense. Can't recall anything similar on other carriers, so is it unique to QE class? saves main lift use too for more important things. Cheers.

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby SKB » 24 Sep 2018, 20:58


(ON THE ROGER) 23 September 2018
HMS Queen Elizabeth (R08), Royal Navy. F-35B FOCFT, Norfolk naval base, Westlant18. Report by Hugh Lessig, Norfolk Daily Press, September 2018.

^ I think this video was recorded on Friday 21 September before the QE sailed yesterday, as Hugh Lessig also tweeted these photos on the 21st:
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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby SKB » 25 Sep 2018, 18:12

Some news concerning Rosyth's "Goliath" crane, which has been abseiled over the last few days to raise money for charities....
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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby SDL » 25 Sep 2018, 20:19

Weather related?

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby benny14 » 25 Sep 2018, 20:39

SDL wrote:Weather related?

Too much Lightning... :lol:

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Re: Queen Elizabeth Class Aircraft Carriers - News and Discussion

Postby SKB » 26 Sep 2018, 01:47

Heres the video from that article. Interesting to hear about the future proofing and aircraft capacity from Captain Jerry Kyd himself.


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