How very patronising of you, you didn't try to educate me on anything you just stubernly stuck to your opion and pretty much said anyone who disagreed was wrong.Aethulwulf wrote:I think I remember trying to educate you a few years ago about how to correctly interpret what the QE Captain said on this subject. However, you threw your toys out if the pram and wouldn't listen.Jake1992 wrote:It wasn't designed to operate 36 F35Bs and 4 halos the request for the design was for a carrier that can operated "at least " 36 F35Bs plus helo complement the design we got was larger.Aethulwulf wrote:Posts like this should be banished down into the fantasy thread hell hole.
QE is designed to operate up to 36 F35b and 4 Merlin. Studies have shown that 36 F35b flying cyclic ops would not also allow deck space for 9 Merlin flying ASW ops at the same time. There might be the space to store 9 Merlin ASW and 36 F35b, but not to operate them at the same time.
Of course there is a difference between theoretical studies and the real world, which is the point of the flight trials.
However, the idea that QE could operate 70 aircraft is a ludicrous fantasy.
The standard peace time load out is over 40 aircraft that has been put out by the RN
The capatain of QE said during an interview that the she could operate 70 aircraft at her max.
As for the Ford load out of 70 for them that is a standard peace time load out, the ford like the Nimitz before it is design to operate up to 100 aircraft at full war load out
So moving on to something you might understand...
...what about the people? Each aircraft needs 20+ crew and maintainers. With 70 aircraft, that comes to 1400 people, plus the 700 crew, requiring at least 2100 berths. But QE has just 1600 berths.
QE might well have the space to ferry 70 aircraft, but cannot operate 70 aircraft.
I do wonder why you cling to this fantasy. A 'standard loadout" of 24 F35b and 14 Merlin Mk2 plus some Mk4 is an impressive capability.
If you watch back you interview it is clear that the inerviewer doesn't understand the different terminology the RN for operate and carry, her question was clearly intend as to what the QEs can "fight" with not ferry. Cpt Kyd at the time was merely answering back in the same way the question was asked, he is a very smart man and would clearly understand what was being asked.
But that is all by the by as since then other RN staff have reaffirmed that the QEs st surge could operate up to 70 aircraft and even wiki now states it.
The whole idea that we would build a 70,000tn carrier to operate the same amount of aircraft that France's 40,000tn CdG operates is ludicrous.
If you really believe that when operating 36 F35s she'll only have 4 helos to preform ASW AEW and GP duties then I surgest you give your head a good wobble.
I do belive that the designers and RN took into account personal when designing them. Even on the 36 F35 load out you'd still be over 100 bunks short on your figures and if you take in to account they were designed to carry 250 RM aswell then you'd be very short.
But they are now having mods to take that up to 900 so they'll be plenty of extra bunks.
I am not denying that the load of 24 F35s and 14 helos is a large pick up on what we had, I am merely stating that the surge load out is meant to be up to 70.
But as I can tell from you manners and that now I remember you this descustion is pointless and you very much seem like the type of person of your always right and anyone that disagrees is always wrong, so I'll leave it here