We are now on a double number of pages (for this topic) as compared to where these quotes come from. Just to give the "game" away I think the EO is an optional extra (for us) as in Europe you would need to be able to counter undetected attack helos, popping up from behind the treetops. To elaborate:
indeid wrote: you need at least the Radar and the Launcher to make it work. The C2 system adding networking and making it an area weapon.
- only this kind of redundancy, built in, makes the system survivable
- and the loss of "esteem" of radar-homing missiles within the world of SEAD is also explained by the same fact: networked radars do frequency hopping and can switch on and off... if you still succeed getting one, the firing unit will be unaffected. And getting
indeid wrote:Also, if it's replacing Rapier isn't that just for the Falklands?
- not many trees there
Not to mention attack helos hovering in their cover.
indeid wrote:The same Regiment also has the air surveillance battery with the rest of the G-AMB radars.
- so, with an additional order (for more trucks, with canisters carried in the back) we are all set
- train the Reserves already now? Then you meet the requirement as stated below:
ArmChairCivvy wrote: if you think of a bde's sphere of influence being 70 km (for simplicity, a radius) then you might have assets quite dispersed, and in need of defending.
indeid wrote:giving you the local only picture, direct radar to launcher connection and no networking.
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Ron5 wrote:a slimmed down control can be added to the radar or launcher truck in lieu of the TOC dedicated truck.
The two above provide resilience (you know, these enhanced EW capabilities of the Ruskies, only recently recognised). Cfr.
indeid wrote:The EO mode on Rapier is great as it is passive
So back to the opening topic:
ArmChairCivvy wrote:a launch site would need either a gun-based point defence (which we do not have) or a distributed MANPAD zone around it, not to be taken out by tree top skimming attack helos.
ArmChairCivvy wrote:a remotely operated, lightweight 25mm gun can counter air or ground targets, Boeing said. [I.e. it is there for any surprises "popping up"] and that's why the company has the module as an option on their AFPS
indeid wrote: CAMM it uses high update rate Air Surveillance radars to in effect act as the Fire Control. So there is only one radar instead of two, and since its one level of service you can do wide-area surveillance while guiding the missile to look in its search box.
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ArmChairCivvy wrote:you can network umpteen CAMM-L trucks to one... if you don't worry about resilience
The inroads active-seeker missiles are making in GBADS explained, add the networked radars (the element "easiest to get to" by the attacker, but not all of them in one go, anyway) and the need to think about the threat from an other class of hostile "assets"... the rotary ones.
- the quote about the training intensity of EO guidance systems is missing - the point must have been made on a different page - but put that together with
A. we can only just afford enough units to get Rapier out of inventory, but we are doing so by building on the capabilities of a radar we would need to have anyway
B. that the focus in the use of both systems is [for now] the Falklands, and
C. the threat of war in Europe -though on a rising trend - is not imminent... so let's get started and do the optional extras & do the related training as the next step
Ever-lasting truths: Multi-year budgets/ planning by necessity have to address the painful questions; more often than not the Either-Or prevails over Both-And.
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)