Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)

[Foxbat]

Don't know why we have anything to do with the Indians TBH, their chippy, post colonial attitude means they won't buy anything off us.

Because they offer us the opportunity to train against Flankers and there's another country out there that also fly Flankers which we're not very friendly with right now? Taking issue with some percieved slight seems a silly reason to throw away a good training opportunity.

[seaspear]

What is likely to happen to the tranche one typhoons ,if they cant be upgraded are they surplus ?

[marktigger]

probably replace Jaguars and tornados at RAF SoTT's

[arfah]

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[topman]

probably replace Jaguars and tornados at RAF SoTT's

Very unlikely, more likely a buyer would be found for them. Although I doubt a final decision has been made yet.

[seaspear]

Would India be a potential customer ? got to be better than a lot of their older aircraft that are past it and would meet their shortage gap

[jonas]

Would India be a potential customer ? got to be better than a lot of their older aircraft that are past it and would meet their shortage gap

No chance, and if you look at the history of Indian defence procurement, you might wonder if it would be worth it in the long run anyway.

Take the Rafale saga as an example, the Indian MOD chose this aircraft over two and a half years ago, and after all that time and interminable discussion they have now formally cancelled the contract for 126 aircraft. A contract that would have been in the long term worth approx £15/£20 bn to Dassault.

The Indians want to have their cake and eat it. They demand full TOT, and on top of that only the first 18 aircraft were to be built in France. The remaining 108 were to be built in India by HAL.

Now, HAL does not have the best of reputations where quality is concerned, so the Indians not only wanted to build them but they still wanted Dassault to be responsible for the aircraft built by HAL. So that any mistakes made by that firm would would be laid at the doorstep of Dassault.
Not a bad deal if you can get it. Needless to say this was one of the major sticking points.

So now India has decided it will only buy 36 Rafale, all of them to be made in France and delivered to India in fly away condition. Now even this project seems to be mired in more bureaucratic wrangling as is the case with any Indian deal, it's an absolute nightmare.

No they will decide to stay with the Russians, for some reason they seem to like being ripped off by them as opposed to anyone else. Take a look at the price they paid for the old Russian aircraft carrier they bought.

[-Eddie-]

P2E, which forms part of the UK's wider-Joint Expeditionary Force (JEF) 2018 capability set, comprises integration of the MBDA Meteor beyond visual range air-to-air missile (BVRAAM), and the MBDA Storm Shadow cruise missile. This phase also includes additional cockpit interface enhancements. "P2E will give the Typhoon the long stick of Meteor and the deep strike of Storm Shadow," Flynn noted.

http://www.janes.com/article/53302/typh ... in-shortly

[The Armchair Soldier]

And here's a pic of the P2E-equipped Typhoon that went up.

[Gabriele]

Who was saying that the indians this year were nice and did not claim to have mopped the floor with the RAF Typhoons...?

12 - 0 in visual range fight, they claim. http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/indian-a ... uk-1204336

[The Armchair Soldier]

Who was saying that the indians this year were nice and did not claim to have mopped the floor with the RAF Typhoons...?

12 - 0 in visual range fight, they claim. http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/indian-a ... uk-1204336

Oh FFS... I knew it wouldn't take them long.

[Cooper]

The comments section to the article is comedy gold..all in keeping with their extremely arrogant, chippy nature.

On a more important note, the press are reporting on Saudia Arabia's economic prospects as basically going down the toilet over the next 10yrs, which could mean curtains for another follow up order on Tranche 3.

[jonas]

The comments section to the article is comedy gold..all in keeping with their extremely arrogant, chippy nature.

On a more important note, the press are reporting on Saudia Arabia's economic prospects as basically going down the toilet over the next 10yrs, which could mean curtains for another follow up order on Tranche 3.

Do you have a link for this in regards to Saudi Arabia, it doesn't appear at the moment that they are cutting back on defence, indeed to the contrary. As they are known to have been largely financing Typhoon upgrades I find this rather hard to believe. BAE seem to have a different view, yes I can hear 'well they would/wouldn't they but they still seem hopefull in spite of stiff opposition.

BAE Systems “Awaiting” Middle East Orders for Typhoons PDF Print E-mail
Thu, 06 August 2015 08:42
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BAE Systems “Awaiting” Middle East Orders for TyphoonsBAE Systems, which generates about a fifth of its total sales from Saudi Arabia, needs to sell more Typhoons to Saudi and other Middle East customers to keep production of the jet going beyond 2018, a report said.

Europe's biggest defense contractor is still waiting on securing the new aircraft orders it needs to meet its annual earnings target, BAE Systems explained on Thursday.

In reporting a 3% slip in first-half earnings per share, BAE maintained its forecast given in February that for 2015 underlying earnings per share would be marginally higher than the 38 pence per share it made in 2014, depending on whether it secured "anticipated" new aircraft orders, which are most likely to come from Saudi Arabia for the Eurofighter Typhoon.

Saudi agreed to buy 72 Typhoons from Britain in 2007 but there have been no new orders for the jet since Oman's in 2012. The Typhoon is a joint project between BAE Systems with partners Airbus Group and Finmeccanica.

Chief Executive Ian King confirmed on a call with reporters that sales campaigns were underway.

“There are a number of active campaigns and a number of potential customers and I think we've been clear that the Middle East is an area where there are requirements,” he said.

Meeting forecasts is also dependent on a review of options for a shipyard in Australia, where it could take a provision, estimated by UBS analysts to be between 50 and 60 million Pounds, if it was to decide to scale down facilities there.

“It's conditional on determining with the Australian government what the future of the shipbuild industry is, it's not necessarily about orders, we need to take a long term view on what they want as capabilities,” King said.

Analysts at Morgan Stanley said that the absence of a new order for Typhoon would be of greater concern than any restructuring of BAE's shipbuilding business in Australia.

Saudi Arabia has grown more aggressive this year in countering Iran across the region and analysts said that the nuclear agreement struck between Iran and six world powers to release it from sanctions, could encourage Saudi to buy more jets.

[Cooper]

Do you have a link for this in regards to Saudi Arabia,

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/oilp ... ckles.html

If the oil futures market is correct, Saudi Arabia will start running into trouble within two years. It will be in existential crisis by the end of the decade.

[jonas]

Do you have a link for this in regards to Saudi Arabia,

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/oilp ... ckles.html

If the oil futures market is correct, Saudi Arabia will start running into trouble within two years. It will be in existential crisis by the end of the decade.

Thanks for your reply, reading it does seem well thought out but then again it was from the 'Telegraph', so sorry, but that negates any serious thought on the matter.

[~UNiOnJaCk~]

Who was saying that the indians this year were nice and did not claim to have mopped the floor with the RAF Typhoons...?

12 - 0 in visual range fight, they claim. http://www.ndtv.com/india-news/indian-a ... uk-1204336

Oh FFS... I knew it wouldn't take them long.

India STRONK!!! Honestly, our Indian friends can be as nationalist as their neighbours whose behaviour they claim to so despise - especially where the UK is involved.

Anyway, i won't say it's impossible but i am EXTREMELY sceptical. The tone of the article screams stronkism in parts which doesn't do much for its credibility either. By all accounts, even accepting this 'report' to be true, it would represent an anomaly relative to past encounters between the RAF and IAF from what has been said.

[SKB]

Seriously? Indians call us 'Britishers' ? !

[Pseudo]

Seriously? Indians call us 'Britishers' ? !

I expect that it's a marked improvement on what they used to call us.

Sent from my personal sentence mangler.

[xav]

A post (from someone who knows what they're talking about) that might shine some light on these IAF 'facts'.
http://www.arrse.co.uk/community/thread ... st-6631256

[The Armchair Soldier]

RAF Challenge Indian Air Force 'Whitewash' Claims

Indian media organisations are carrying reports of the Indian Air Force (IAF) "dominating" the Royal Air Force during a recent bilateral air combat exercise.

A resounding score of "12-0" was conceded to the IAF Su-30's during the initial dogfighting stages of Within Visual Range (WVR) encounters.

Sources from the RAF state, however, that Indian planes were being 'bedded in' to new terrain and effectively shown the ropes. The RAF were "introducing them to the airspace", putting the Typhoons up against the Sukhois in something more akin to a pigeon-shooting exercise, rather than a combat exercise, so the Indian pilots could get their bearings.

Once the IAF were comfortable flying in foreign air space the Large Force Exercises (LFEs) began and subsequently the RAF Typhoons proved more than a match for the Indian SU-30's.

Speaking to Forces TV an RAF spokesman offered a polite rebuttal to the claims in the Indian press, saying:

"Our analysis does not match what has been reported, RAF pilots and the Typhoon performed well throughout the exercise, with and against the Indian Air Force."

Read More: http://forces.tv/00317417

[~UNiOnJaCk~]

Wow! That's surprising. You know if the MoD or the services come out with a rebuke that they are royally miffed. Guess the RAF don't quite feel they were in attendance at the same exercise. Simply given that there was a response i know which side i would place greater faith in.

That's the nice thing about having an pathologically discrete/OPSEC defence establishment, you can always be reasonably confident that if and when they speak up on a matter it is usually done with some accuracy and integrity and, even more so in in the instances where they are self-congratulatory/feel the need to rise to their own defence, it is probably with some merit.

[arfah]

Battle of Britain 2?

[~UNiOnJaCk~]

Battle of Britain 2?

Only if Michael Caine is still up for it

[-Eddie-]

More P2E testing today, this time Meteor!

[The Armchair Soldier]

Just a word of advice: steer well clear of any Exercise Indradanush videos on YouTube.
For a taste of why, see the comments section of this video: