Multi Role Vehicle – Protected - MRV(P)

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Seems a sensible option but again its not doing much for defence jobs here in UK. Perhaps we will retain the Jackals they seem to have been useful as a Desert Patrol Vehicle.

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Gabriele wrote:Well, the last time the Army gave numbers, it had 5648 Land Rovers of various kinds and 628 Pinzgauers. It wanted to replace a good portion of these with MRV-P.

In addition, there are 344 RWMIK, 311 Husky, 401 Panther, 437 Jackal, 71 Coyote and 399 Foxhound. That's over 8000 candidates for a MRV-P replacement.
Does the MoD publish these figures? Where can I find them? Thanks.

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WhitestElephant wrote:
Gabriele wrote:Never knew we had so much Land Rovers!!
We don't. They're very sparsely spread.

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The MOD is very unhelpful, but something comes out. I try to follow all sorts of sources (written answers, publications, etc) and collate what i find. The last details about MRV-P came out in 2014 from a presentation given by the army in one conference: http://www.dtic.mil/ndia/2014/tactical/ ... fferty.pdf

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Note that Foxhound would be the first to leave service, as soon as 2024. I hope this is due to it originally having been a UOR (so, time-limited by definition), because otherwise it is a pretty criminal intent and opens huge questions about whether it is actually any good.
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WhitestElephant wrote:Never knew we had so much Land Rovers!!
Is the figure including those in the RAF and RN. I imagine their are a few in storage, including Ambulance versions.

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bobp wrote:
WhitestElephant wrote:Never knew we had so much Land Rovers!!
Is the figure including those in the RAF and RN. I imagine their are a few in storage, including Ambulance versions.
I am led to believe the jackel may be getting transfered to the RAF Regiment.

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Tinman wrote:
bobp wrote:
WhitestElephant wrote:Never knew we had so much Land Rovers!!
Is the figure including those in the RAF and RN. I imagine their are a few in storage, including Ambulance versions.
I am led to believe the jackel may be getting transfered to the RAF Regiment.
The previous one they were given was a dog of an armoured vehicle. Will that be withdrawn if they get this one?
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ArmChairCivvy wrote:
Tinman wrote:
bobp wrote:
WhitestElephant wrote:Never knew we had so much Land Rovers!!
Is the figure including those in the RAF and RN. I imagine their are a few in storage, including Ambulance versions.
I am led to believe the jackel may be getting transfered to the RAF Regiment.
Foxhoud also.

The previous one they were given was a dog of an armoured vehicle. Will that be withdrawn if they get this one?

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Jackal & Foxhound? That's 400+400 vehicles... plus the Panthers

A hundred for each location?
603 Sqn Edinburgh, Scotland
606 Sqn RAF Benson, Oxfordshire
609 Sqn RAF Leeming, Yorkshire
2503 Sqn RAF Waddington, Lincolnshire
2620 Sqn RAF Marham, Norfolk
2622 Sqn RAF Lossiemouth, Moray
2623 Sqn RAF Honington, Suffolk
2624 Sqn RAF Brize Norton, Oxfordshire
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France has also a program of "multi-purpose light tactical protected vehicles" (véhicules légers tactiques polyvalents protégés - VLTP P) that will be common to VBMR light to replace old VLRA and P4. I hope that it will be the Bastion HM that will win the contract which represents more than 2500 vehicles.

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ArmChairCivvy wrote:Jackal & Foxhound? That's 400+400 vehicles... plus the Panthers

A hundred for each location?
603 Sqn Edinburgh, Scotland
606 Sqn RAF Benson, Oxfordshire
609 Sqn RAF Leeming, Yorkshire
2503 Sqn RAF Waddington, Lincolnshire
2620 Sqn RAF Marham, Norfolk
2622 Sqn RAF Lossiemouth, Moray
2623 Sqn RAF Honington, Suffolk
2624 Sqn RAF Brize Norton, Oxfordshire
609 Sqn already have foxhound, I left one outside the officers mess tonight.

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Tinman wrote:400+400 vehicles... plus the Panthers
Looks like the NCOs, too, will soon be issued with their own, personal protected transport??
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Apologies if his has already been posted
http://www.janes.com/article/63811/uk-mrv-p-moves-ahead
A down select has been made for the British Army's Multi Role Vehicle Protected (MRV-P) Group 2 vehicle and five contractors will be issued with an Invitation to Tender (ITT) in the October/November 2016 timeframe".....
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Caribbean wrote:Apologies if his has already been posted"
http://www.janes.com/article/63811/uk-mrv-p-moves-ahead
A down select has been made for the British Army's Multi Role Vehicle Protected (MRV-P) Group 2 vehicle and five contractors will be issued with an Invitation to Tender (ITT) in the October/November 2016 timeframe".....
Edit: doh - just realised I misread the date on that - definitely need new glasses!
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From the back seat: "Are we not there yet?"

The five contractors contractors down-selected for the Group 2 vehicle are BAE Systems Land (UK) with a vehicle from Penman (which is currently in administration), General Dynamics Land Systems UK with the Swiss MOWAG Eagle 6x6, Mercedes-Benz, Rhinemetall MAN Military Vehicles with the Survivor-R, and Thales with the Thales Australia Bushmaster.

The ITT will be followed by a down select to two contractors who will each provide a vehicle for automotive trials plus another vehicle for blast trials.
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Armoured Recovery Version of the Coyote by Supacat.

https://www.armyrecognition.com/dsei_20 ... _2017.html

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Make an APC variant and put if forward for MRV-P, that would be a great candidate for group 2.

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DSEI 2017.

Oshkosh showcases its JLTV for the MRV-P

https://www.armyrecognition.com/dsei_20 ... on_uk.html

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In the close up photo of the RWS it looks like it has a microphone; is this the anti-sniper version?
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Orders:

A spokeswoman for the MoD said, “We are investigating a Foreign Military Sales purchase of the U.S. DoD Joint Light Tactical Vehicle. We anticipate a decision on this proposal in early 2018.”

“A second package aims to procure, through competition, troop carriers and ambulances that will share a common base vehicle. We anticipate a decision on this proposal in mid-2018, with the competition winner planned to be on contract in 2019,” she said.

Numbers:

"A U.K. Parliament’s Defence Committee report published in April said it expected 750 JLTVs to be purchased.

The committee said the second package of vehicles could initially involve 150 troop carriers and 80 ambulances “later rising to 300 of each if the money is available."

Group 2:

Have saw this in several other places, seems that these three companies/vehicles are what the choice is between at the moment.

"General Dynamics is offering the 6x6 Eagle vehicle. Thales’ contender is the Australian-developed Bushmaster platform already in service with the British and other countries. Mercedes-Benz is thought to be competing with a vehicle based on a Unimog chassis."

https://www.defensenews.com/digital-sho ... p-program/

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benny14 wrote:The committee said the second package of vehicles could initially involve 150 troop carriers and 80 ambulances “later rising to 300 of each if the money is available."
Seen versions of that where the troop carrier part has been omitted (could easily reflect just time priorities, rather than total omission, or any such intent ).
- just looking at the photos, Bushmaster would seem to be narrower in the back (not ideal for ambulance use)?
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Yes, the rear door of the Eagle seems wider.

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No sign of the Mercedes vehicle since DVD last year.

Bushmaster I believe has had some modifications for the UK market, including adding doors to the driver cab.

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benny14 wrote:Thales’ contender is the Australian-developed Bushmaster platform already in service with the British and other countries.
Are the UK Bushmasters still in service? We only bought 20 odd for the SAS to use around Baghdad and elsewhere, have they been retained? Would have thought they'd have been discarded in favour of Ridgeback or Foxhound.

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https://www.grasswire.com/2017/07/fact- ... ot-may-17/

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"Screen shot from a Ruptly video of July 13, 2017 showing British Bushmaster vehicles. Image: Grasswire/Ruptly"

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