Hard to believe it will be good newsmatt00773 wrote:Fallon also announced that there would be an announcement on the Type 26 in the next few weeks
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I suspect it will be on further awards to Australian companies supplying parts for Type 26 - but will have to wait and see on that.Ron5 wrote: Hard to believe it will be good news
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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
That's how it works with the recce wagons competition, too. Some chosen ozzie suppliers have already been given work from the Lithuania order for Boxers. Negotiating supply chain deals is hard work, so you won't want to let it go to waste - deal or no deal (in the main competition).matt00773 wrote:Two companies have already been awarded work and I expect a dozen other Australian companies to be involved
Ever-lasting truths: Multi-year budgets/ planning by necessity have to address the painful questions; more often than not the Either-Or prevails over Both-And.
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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Au contraire. Bronstein and latter classes weren't much bigger than a River...Ron5 wrote:There's not been any small classes that would contribute to a CTG therefore the point is moot.
Those antennae on the back of the 26 above the hangar are..... Very interesting.
Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Gimme a break, Bronstein was decommed over a quarter of a century ago.
As for Type 26 antennae, all very recognizable. Nothing new.
As for Type 26 antennae, all very recognizable. Nothing new.
Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Could be this he was talking about :-matt00773 wrote:I suspect it will be on further awards to Australian companies supplying parts for Type 26 - but will have to wait and see on that.Ron5 wrote: Hard to believe it will be good news
http://navaltoday.com/2017/08/10/bae-sy ... ate-build/
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The article states that the UK programme cost for 8 T26 is £12 billion. Is this current /accurate, or out dated info relevant only when the programme was intended to build 13 T26 to replace the T23 1 for 1?jonas wrote:Could be this he was talking about :-matt00773 wrote:I suspect it will be on further awards to Australian companies supplying parts for Type 26 - but will have to wait and see on that.Ron5 wrote: Hard to believe it will be good news
http://navaltoday.com/2017/08/10/bae-sy ... ate-build/
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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
type 23 1:1 would mean 16 shipsdmereifield wrote:
The article states that the UK programme cost for 8 T26 is £12 billion. Is this current /accurate, or out dated info relevant only when the programme was intended to build 13 T26 to replace the T23 1 for 1?
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Fair point, but you knew what I meant....marktigger wrote:type 23 1:1 would mean 16 shipsdmereifield wrote:
The article states that the UK programme cost for 8 T26 is £12 billion. Is this current /accurate, or out dated info relevant only when the programme was intended to build 13 T26 to replace the T23 1 for 1?
Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Didn't the 12 billion originate with an admiral with loose lips? who was immediately carpeted by his political masters.
Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
No, this is the bid submission to persuade Australia to choose Type 26 for their frigate program. Fallon was talking about building parts of the UK Type 26 in Australia - obviously as part of the overall sales pitch.jonas wrote: Could be this he was talking about :-
http://navaltoday.com/2017/08/10/bae-sy ... ate-build/
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matt00773 wrote:No, this is the bid submission to persuade Australia to choose Type 26 for their frigate program. Fallon was talking about building parts of the UK Type 26 in Australia - obviously as part of the overall sales pitch.jonas wrote: Could be this he was talking about :-
http://navaltoday.com/2017/08/10/bae-sy ... ate-build/
I wonder just how much do the licence to build cost is. if AusGov does decide on T26 and with a home build wonder what the $impact is for the UK would make an interesting breakdown. I think from memory AusGov is looking for about 70% local build content
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We appear to be going the same route to entice Canada into choosing T26;
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/canadia ... gate-work/
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/canadia ... gate-work/
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It's a smarter strategy. The more you can make it a 'you scratch my back' scenario you end up building a better economic case which is increasingly the focus these days.
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Looks like they have learnt a few tricks from Lockheed Martin and are trying to copy the JSF program.
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Hopefully it works.
A commonwealth type 26 would be great, and a good way to embarrass the UK government by having both Australia and Canada each having more type 26's than the Royal Navy and theirs possibly being more capable?
AESA phased array radar and more mk41 silos?
A commonwealth type 26 would be great, and a good way to embarrass the UK government by having both Australia and Canada each having more type 26's than the Royal Navy and theirs possibly being more capable?
AESA phased array radar and more mk41 silos?
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What would it take to build a AAW variant of the T26 to boost our low numbers in that area of need be ?
Last year I saw a peice on a Sampson lite set up, not quite as good as a full fat Sampson but still meant to be right up there.
Or would it be easier to build a batch 2 of the type 45s ?
Last year I saw a peice on a Sampson lite set up, not quite as good as a full fat Sampson but still meant to be right up there.
Or would it be easier to build a batch 2 of the type 45s ?
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Re: Type 26 Frigate (City Class) (RN) [News Only]
Frankly a Commonwealth Navy would be a damned good thing. QE as the flagship.andrew98 wrote:Hopefully it works.
A commonwealth type 26 would be great, and a good way to embarrass the UK government by having both Australia and Canada each having more type 26's than the Royal Navy and theirs possibly being more capable?
AESA phased array radar and more mk41 silos?
Three or four of the Canadian Type 26s will be AAW.Jake1992 wrote:What would it take to build a AAW variant of the T26 to boost our low numbers in that area of need be ?
Last year I saw a peice on a Sampson lite set up, not quite as good as a full fat Sampson but still meant to be right up there.
Or would it be easier to build a batch 2 of the type 45s ?
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Three or four of the Canadian Type 26s will be AAW.[/quote]
I did read that, will they be as capable as a T45 ? If not would we be able to add a Sampson radar to the T26 hull or "Sampson lite" ?
I do believe our AAW needs increasing but what would be best for us and AAW T26 or start up a batch 2 T45s
I did read that, will they be as capable as a T45 ? If not would we be able to add a Sampson radar to the T26 hull or "Sampson lite" ?
I do believe our AAW needs increasing but what would be best for us and AAW T26 or start up a batch 2 T45s
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If we were going to make an AAW Type 26, then we ideally wouldn't be using Sampson.
It's good, but high mast solid state AESA is the clear route forward. Just look at APAR and Seafire 5000. Italy's developing them too.
Artisan is still in a weird area of no-one really knowing if it's a mechanical, PESA or AESA. There's sources stating all three, and some that say it has certain elements of an AESA, but not all of them. It's a weird anomaly, especially as it's a rotating mast, in itself an odd thing to see on a 2022+ ship...very unambitious.
It's good, but high mast solid state AESA is the clear route forward. Just look at APAR and Seafire 5000. Italy's developing them too.
Artisan is still in a weird area of no-one really knowing if it's a mechanical, PESA or AESA. There's sources stating all three, and some that say it has certain elements of an AESA, but not all of them. It's a weird anomaly, especially as it's a rotating mast, in itself an odd thing to see on a 2022+ ship...very unambitious.
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My understanding from publications from many moons ago is that ARTISAN is a smaller, single-faced version of SAMPSON - i.e. it's a rotating AESA radar. To be precise, BAe Insyte touted a single-faced version of SAMPSON for the Future Surface Combatant programme which was known as SPECTAR. I believe that ARTISAN is a smaller version of SPECTAR specifically designed to replace the 996 with it's inherent size and weight restrictions.RetroSicotte wrote:If we were going to make an AAW Type 26, then we ideally wouldn't be using Sampson.
It's good, but high mast solid state AESA is the clear route forward. Just look at APAR and Seafire 5000. Italy's developing them too.
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Nothing new, it is once again the UKdj recycling old news, this order along with several others in Canada was placed in July 2015.Zealot wrote:We appear to be going the same route to entice Canada into choosing T26;
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/canadia ... gate-work/
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Artisan is a combined mechanical and electronically scanned radar - PESA/MSA. This design approach gives a very wide area of coverage as well as the ability to track 100s of targets. The Typhoon radar is also designed in a similar way.RetroSicotte wrote:If we were going to make an AAW Type 26, then we ideally wouldn't be using Sampson.
It's good, but high mast solid state AESA is the clear route forward. Just look at APAR and Seafire 5000. Italy's developing them too.
Artisan is still in a weird area of no-one really knowing if it's a mechanical, PESA or AESA. There's sources stating all three, and some that say it has certain elements of an AESA, but not all of them. It's a weird anomaly, especially as it's a rotating mast, in itself an odd thing to see on a 2022+ ship...very unambitious.
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Embarrassed?? Ha ha, the UK government is tougher than that - rising defence budget, 178 billion new equipment budget, blah, blah .. utterly shameless.andrew98 wrote:Hopefully it works.
A commonwealth type 26 would be great, and a good way to embarrass the UK government by having both Australia and Canada each having more type 26's than the Royal Navy and theirs possibly being more capable?
AESA phased array radar and more mk41 silos?