Turkish Armed Forces

[Pseudo]

That is politics Pseudo....Better than having a veto in your back pocket as of right.

Well, yes, foreign relations and policies are all politics. My point is that a UN without vetoes might easily lead to a more divided UN with less scope for common agreement.

Have a look at this link which I "Googled" just now. https://www.rt.com/usa/316553-chomsky-un-us-veto/

Chomsky and RT? Is there a tin foil hat strong enough for such a combination?

a one member one vote system would actually reinforce the power bloc structures because it would require the likes of the US, China and Russia to establish voting blocs with other counties in order to pursue their agendas.

Eurovision song contest, to the power of two?

The new voting system this year was interesting in that it seemed to suggest that our assumptions about it being the juries voting along political lines didn't see to be all that accurate.

[Galloglass]

Hi Pseudo,

"My point is that a UN without vetoes might easily lead to a more divided UN with less scope for common agreement.".......
(Vetoes overturn common agreements)

"Chomsky and RT? Is there a tin foil hat strong enough for such a combination?"..........
(Don't shoot the messenger listen to the message. Is he telling the truth or not?)

[Pseudo]

Don't shoot the messenger listen to the message. Is he telling the truth or not?

He's right that it would be hard to make the UN more independent of the particular needs and demands of the great powers. My contention is that removing the veto would make it more difficult than less difficult because it would require that they great powers formed voting blocs with friendly states which would have the potential to create a deep divide between those blocs on some issues that would prevent them coming together in common cause on other issues.

[erlenmayer]

Turkish Navy Mulls Buying Long-Range Patrol Aircraft

ANKARA, Turkey — The Turkish Navy is considering the purchase of long-range patrol aircraft to add to its fleet of CN-235 and ATR72s, navy and procurement officials said.

“The requirement comes in line with the government’s foreign policy priorities,” explained one procurement official.

Navy officials say the planned aircraft should be able to fly 1,000 to 1,200 nautical miles away from their main base in Turkey and fly 12 to 15 hours.

“Our current fleet may not respond to our future roles,” said one Navy official. “The new patrol aircraft should ideally have anti-submarine and anti-surface warfare roles.”

Naval industry sources say the Turkish description of the requirement would probably point to the Boeing P-8 Poseidon (formerly the Multimission Maritime Aircraft or MMA). The P-8 Poseidon was developed for the US Navy by Boeing Defense, Space & Security, modified from the 737-800ERX.

The P-8 also conducts shipping interdiction, along with an electronic signals intelligence role which involves carrying torpedoes, depth charges, SLAM-ER missiles, Harpoon anti-ship missiles, and other weapons. It is able to drop and monitor sonobuoys. The aircraft is designed to operate in conjunction with the Northrop Grumman MQ-4C Triton Broad Area Maritime Surveillance unmanned aerial vehicle.

Procurement officials say they hope to issue a request for information for the planned acquisition soon.

“We are hoping to see a competitive contest,” one official said.

But industry sources say the description of the acquisition narrows options.

“There will not be too many bidders, judging from the description of the requirement,” said one source.
http://www.defensenews.com/story/defens ... /84864896/

[ArmChairCivvy]

F-35Bs to fly off the Turkish Juan Carlos version:

https://turkishnavy.net/2016/05/02/the- ... s-started/

[WhitestElephant]

Exactly what purpose would Turkey find in fixed-wing aviation at sea? Especially since all of her potential conflicts are well within range and better suited to land based aircraft. An embarked force of 6 F-35Bs is an expensive "meh" in this context.

Though it should be something of comedy to see in the Aegean and Black Sea.

Looks like a vanity exercise to me. Turkey is no expeditionary power.

[SALDIRAY]

Turkish Defence Industry Systems English Playlist:


Cinematic Clips:

[ArmChairCivvy]

Quite like the concept with the air defence system, a bit of a halfway house between NASAMS2 and what the British Army is now bringing into service (albeit, at least for the Falklands, with very powerful radars... too expensive to have with all BGs/ Bdes; which I guess is the niche this one has been targeted at)
- raises the question of what is the pedigree of the missile used?

[erlenmayer]

BAE-Turkey Fighter Jet Plan Said Delayed After Failed Coup

BAE Systems Plc’s deal to develop Turkey’s first home-built fighter jet has been delayed by the U.K. government as it assesses the aftermath of the attempted coup against President Recep Tayyip Erdogan, according to people familiar with the situation.
Formal details of the cooperation with Turkish Aerospace Industries on the jet, dubbed the TF-X, may only be announced toward the end of the year, the people said. The agreement had originally been expected within the next few weeks, two of the people said.
BAE is competing with Airbus Group SE for the right to help design and develop the plane, which is targeted for completion by 2023, according to one of the people. A deal would help the U.K. defense industry push into new export markets, an effort that has gained importance since the June vote for Britain to exit the European Union. For Turkey, a home-grown combat aircraft would help reduce dependence on Germany and the U.S. for military equipment.
Last month’s failed coup probably increased Erdogan’s determination to complete the fighter jet project, said Richard Aboulafia, a Fairfax, Virginia-based analyst with Teal Group. “Historically, indigenous fighter jet projects have been driven by a mix of nationalism and paranoia, and Turkey under Erdogan checks both boxes,” he said.

The delay comes as the U.K. government keeps watch over Erdogan’s response to the coup, the people familiar with the talks said. It’s another example of how relations between Turkey and its western neighbors have soured. NATO was even forced to issue a statement last week saying Turkey’s membership in the military alliance is not in question. Still, Turkey’s trade with the EU was worth $147 billion last year, underscoring the depths of its ties to the bloc.
250 Aircraft
Turkey could buy about 250 of the TF-X aircraft, Aboulafia said. The country, which has the second-biggest air force in the North Atlantic Treaty Organization, already ordered 100 Lockheed Martin Corp. F-35 fighter jets, due for delivery starting in 2018.
BAE rose 0.1 percent to 522 pence at 2:10 p.m. in London. The shares have climbed 4.5 percent this year, giving the contractor a market value of 16.6 billion pounds ($21.6 billion).
BAE is “supporting pre-contract studies with Turkish industry and government” after a request for proposals for collaboration on the TF-X program, the company said in an e-mailed statement. BAE said it can never comment on the next stage of a customer’s program.
The U.K. remains “supportive of U.K. companies that are responding to the requirements of the Turkish Armed Forces and working closely with Turkish companies,” the Department for International Trade said in an e-mailed statement. It declined to comment on specific projects.
The Turkish jet will help BAE broaden its military-air division beyond the Eurofighter Typhoon, which entered service in 2003. The Eurofighter accounted for about 17 percent of the U.K. defense contractor’s total sales last year, according to Sandy Morris, a London-based analyst for Jefferies International.
Based on similar Korean and Japanese indigenous fighter jet programs, Turkey will spend about $11.7 billion on the TF-X’s development costs, said Ben Moores, an analyst with IHS. BAE stands to reap at least one-quarter of that amount, or $2.93 billion, as well as additional revenues from potentially helping to make the aircraft, plus maintenance agreements and export opportunities, Moores said.
First Interest
Turkey first signaled its interest in working with BAE in December, Turkish Aerospace said. A spokeswoman for the company didn’t respond to requests for comment on the delay.
The deal is in part a government-to-government agreement, according to the people familiar with the project. The U.K. is negotiating with Turkey’s Defense Industries Secretariat, a co-owner of Turkish Aerospace that oversees military projects and is chaired by the prime minister.
An airstrip the company rents from the Turkish Air Force and used for testing was destroyed during the July 15 coup attempt. Erdogan’s forces bombed the runway to prevent the coup’s coordinators from sending more of the state’s F-16 warplanes into the skies.
The aircraft were being used to bomb Turkey’s capital, targeting buildings including the parliament and producing low-altitude sonic booms over both Ankara and Istanbul. The Akinci airstrip, which lies just west of Ankara, is due to start repairs next week, according to one of the people.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/ ... ailed-coup

[xav]

First Photo Of Turkish Navy ATR-72 600 ASW Plane
https://turkishnavy.net/2016/08/18/firs ... asw-plane/

[ArmChairCivvy]

Some comparison from the same site as to how the Turkish JC/ CBR will be different from its cousins:

"Unlike her nears sisters in Spanish and Australian navies the Turkish ship will only have diesel engines. There will be five MAN 16V32/40 engines each creating 7680kW and propelling the ship up to 21 knots. The range is estimated to be 9.000 nautical miles.

The ship will have one Mk-49 launcher for Rolling Airframe Missile, 2 Mk-15 Phalanx Block 1B CIWS, 5 Stabilized Gun platforms probably armed with 25mm gun for self-defence.

The details on weapons and sensors may change during the course of construction. Turkish companies will provide ECM and ESM systems, IR signature measurement systems, electro-optic sensors, torpedo defence systems. The combat management system will base on GENESİS CMS.

The flight deck will 170 meters long and 32 meters wide and will feature a 12 degree ski jump. The hangar will have an area of 900 m2. The upper garage where the heavy vehicles will be parked will measure 1.410 m2 and lower garage for the light vehicles will be 1.880 m2. The dock will cover 1.165m2 and two LCAC’s or four LCM’s will fit in.

The ship will carry 6 F-35B Lightning II planes 4 T-129 ATAK attack helicopters 8 cargo helicopters 2 S-70B Seahawk helicopters and 2 UAVs.

She will have a 34 bed hospital on board."

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[SALDIRAY]

[GastonGlocker]

Turkish armor performance against ISIS (and the Kurds):

https://warisboring.com/turkish-steel-b ... .y86fqtsj1

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[GastonGlocker]

Interesting read.

Definitely interesting about the effectiveness of the Kornet.

http://www.army-technology.com/projects ... le-system/

Multi million dollar tanks neutralized by multi thousand dollar missiles.

[ArmChairCivvy]

To NATO or not to NATO, seems to be the question:

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/tur ... e-contract

A good way to test the F-35, though (if they will be getting any).

[arfah]

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[erlenmayer]

[Defiance]

Turkey has announced that it's looking to develop conventional ballistic missiles

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/tur ... e-missiles
http://www.janes.com/article/67609/turk ... ic-missile

No details are yet known but analysts have speculated they may want something in the region of 1000 miles which would put them in range of the capitals of Syria, Iraq, Iran, Israel, Egypt, Serbia, Greece, Ukraine and Hungary

[ArmChairCivvy]

Iran, Israel,

A pre-emptive strike? Before those two start lobbing missiles (and nukes) at each other
- Israeli nuke-armed SSKs in the shallow Gulf waters are an accident waiting to happen (no need to push the button)
- they used to be in the Red Sea, but now the US has sold ABM systems to KSA and UAE, so you cannot shoot over their heads anymore

BTW, why do you think there are 4 ABM-capable cruisers based out of Rota?
- to be able to put an umbrella over Israel, and in that way stop them from nuking Iran

[abc123]

Iran, Israel,

A pre-emptive strike? Before those two start lobbing missiles (and nukes) at each other
- Israeli nuke-armed SSKs in the shallow Gulf waters are an accident waiting to happen (no need to push the button)
- they used to be in the Red Sea, but now the US has sold ABM systems to KSA and UAE, so you cannot shoot over their heads anymore

BTW, why do you think there are 4 ABM-capable cruisers based out of Rota?
- to be able to put an umbrella over Israel, and in that way stop them from nuking Iran

One would expect that theywould then be based closer to potential theatre of action... Italy, Greece...

[ArmChairCivvy]

Italy, Greece...

Why build anything new, when Rota had extensive facilities of old. And you can always claim that the ships are for general deployment in Europe, and not specifically for the Med .

[Defiance]

Turkish DefMin has revealed negotiations are moving forward for a purchase of the S-400

http://www.defensenews.com/articles/tur ... nse-system

Defence Minister Fikri Isik said Feb. 22 that talks between Turkey and Russia for the potential acquisition of the S-400 system “made quite [the] progress.”

“The S-400 [system] looks like the closest option,” Isik said. But the minister cautioned that “we are not at a stage of signing a deal tomorrow.”

Isik said that Turkey’s priority was to indigenously develop a system that would permanently protect Turkey against any attack.

The article goes on to describe the saga covering this type of system, HQ-9 winning the bid and MEADS trying to get a contract.

[ArmChairCivvy]

Now we can invite them to Red Flag, for added realism of scenarios exercised through