Brexit - The UK's EU Referendum & Withdrawal

[SKB]

Freedom!!!

[handal]

I hope you are right SKB :] An....I wanna a way biger margin tbh As all these slimy polticians will do is backpeddle

[SKB]

The EU is now f*cked. Other EU countries are surely now likely to do their own referendums and copy the UK's example.

BBC are predicting a 52% Leave win.

[617]

So now the result has been announced, what will be the overall effects on defence?

[SKB]

So now the result has been announced, what will be the overall effects on defence?

I'd start by buying more fishery protection vessels to prevent EU countries stealing British fish.

[Ron5]

Many congratulations to the UK!!!!

You should make today a new national holiday "Independence Day"

I predict all the economic indicators will quickly climb back to the old levels and above as money rushes into the UK to take advantage of the low pound and vibrant UK.

Don't waste time, forget negotiating with the deadbeat Euros, join NAFTA asap. Totally fits UK's export profile.

[SKB]

True "Brexit" will take 2 years of UK-EU negotiating under the Article 50 Law.

[handal]

The Telegraph..when and if D.C%88moron decides to leave..SS/DD..and he "must" stay..wohoo for dumbocrcay... I'm sry I forgot we where electing a living god then...

On a lighter not God Bless the Taffs ;] The other longow land

[bobp]

At last the people win. Hope the lying self effacing UK remain politicians quit.

[SKB]

Nigel Farage: "The dawn is breaking on an independant Britain. This is our Independence Day!"

[handal]

I'm just glad they lost their 2nd tier of gravy train piggy bottom feeding...at least in a couple of years..and the rest when they drag it out..

Can you imagine how many corrupt, ammoral and mostly facless traitors may not be on the freebie train anymore and what that does to the self serving party politic ?

[bobp]

This will send shockwaves through Europe and trigger a few more countries to quit.

[SKB]

Official Result of the 2016 EU Referendum



Leave: 17,410,742 (51.9%)

Remain: 16,141,241 (48.1%)

All 382 Counting Areas have declared.

[SKB]

BBC: Rumour around Downing Street that David Cameron is about to resign as Prime Minister.

Official: David Cameron has decided to resign as Prime Minister before the next Tory Party Conference in October.

[RetroSicotte]

And already Scotland is moving toward IndyRef2. National News isn't reporting it fully yet, but you'd have to be blind and deaf to not notice it on the local news up here.

Gee, it's almost like it's the exact thing I said would happen is coming true or something.

I have no love for the EU, but such a decision at this point was recklessness while the SNP were still in power. The Union matters more than the EU.

[FuNsTeR]

And already Scotland is moving toward IndyRef2. National News isn't reporting it fully yet, but you'd have to be blind and deaf to not notice it on the local news up here.

Gee, it's almost like it's the exact thing I said would happen is coming true or something.

I have no love for the EU, but such a decision at this point was recklessness while the SNP were still in power. The Union matters more than the EU.

I'm more than happy to see bonny Skirtland and N Ireland leave the UK that way we can keep all our defence work in England and Wales that and all the constant whinging from Scots

[handal]

I hope this fat f'wit is gone...at last...."I mean you'oll the fighting and I'll do the the talking"....F'ing really...ffs...

[RetroSicotte]

Boy, if that isn't short sighted...

So where exactly would you put Trident then? How expensive would it be to set up something on a scale of the Clyde? To set up a new SSBN base? How much would Scotland end up stealing out the inventory on its way out? How would the defence budget cope with a drastically reduced skilled working population and tax income?

It's a horrific idea all around right now, given the budget issues. It's horrific for Scotland, it's horrific for the rest of the UK to go breaking up the country, and this might have just been a trigger to cause it. Leaving the EU? Fine. But wait till the SNP danger was out of the way, they were already on the decline since last years. Now they've had another massive rush in popularity due to this and made things worse than they ever were.

It's like the art of patience is forgotten. There's a difference between acting in due time and rushing.

[FuNsTeR]

Boy, if that isn't short sighted...

So where exactly would you put Trident then? How expensive would it be to set up something on a scale of the Clyde? To set up a new SSBN base? How much would Scotland end up stealing out the inventory on its way out? How would the defence budget cope with a drastically reduced skilled working population and tax income?

It's a horrific idea all around right now, given the budget issues. It's horrific for Scotland, it's horrific for the rest of the UK to go breaking up the country, and this might have just been a trigger to cause it. Leaving the EU? Fine. But wait till the SNP danger was out of the way, they were already on the decline since last years. Now they've had another massive rush in popularity due to this and made things worse than they ever were.

It's like the art of patience is forgotten. There's a difference between acting in due time and rushing.

we have Nuclear facilities in England and Davenport can be upgraded as well to handle the trident fleet, England and Wales, I would rather have a union with willing partners instead of a union where the northern half is dragging its feet

[RetroSicotte]

"Nuclear facilities" doesn't mean "Capable of supporting the fleet", let alone the price. (Let alone all the other things I mentioned you conviniently tried to ignore existing by not responding to)

And Scotland is hardly "dragging its feet", the area is a solid boost to the UK. Thats needless vitriol throwing to create a false perception. I'm as anti-SNP and anti-Indy as you get, and even I see that.

Scotland was willing to stay. We voted as such. Then this had to be forced through when everyone with a brain knew that it was only going to make things worse for the Union's internal stability.

Sending Scotland down another path to leaving is not good for the UK. Not in any way. Turfing the SNP out and then leaving the EU would have been a much better path. But no, we all gotta rush rush rush for the simple solutions with bull headed tunnel vision instead of thinking about the big picture...

[FuNsTeR]

"Nuclear facilities" doesn't mean "Capable of supporting the fleet", let alone the price. (Let alone all the other things I mentioned you conviniently tried to ignore existing by not responding to)

And Scotland is hardly "dragging its feet", the area is a solid boost to the UK. Thats needless vitriol throwing to create a false perception. I'm as anti-SNP and anti-Indy as you get, and even I see that.

Sending Scotland down another path to leaving is not good for the UK. Not in any way. Turfing the SNP out and then leaving the EU would have been a much better path. But not, we all gotta rush rush rush for the simple solutions instead of thinking about the big picture...

well the creation of a Scottish parliament only opened peoples eyes down on the differences of the 2 countries I said at the time it was a massive mistake, our island is deeply divided, as it stands their is no future for the United Kingdom, England has been held back long enough

[RetroSicotte]

Again with the complete ignoring of every factual point I state above. I'm not going to let you off on those points. You raised them, I countered them, now you're trying to back down from them about the price of relocating Trident, about the massive GDP loss, about the loss in population, the loss in land area and natural resources, the inevitable loss in budget, the act of an independant Scotland thieving a bunch of defence equipment when it goes and even more manpower.

You couldn't find a single defence analyst, enthusist or expert, who disagreed with any of that back in 2014, now suddenly everyone's ignoring it and trying to pretent the same things they said then don't exist simply to remain entrenched in an absolute sense of black and white over another issue that crops up.

Scotland proved it was willing to stay, and then this had to all upset the cart all over again before the previous wound had time to heal and fully settle down. Now there's millions of us who want to be in the UK up here, what in 2014 was a majority of us, could be very likely facing ourselves being torn out of the country we want to be in.

If you don't see that fact as the absolute horror that is, then frankly you are beyond uncaring about the very issues you are voting on. Scotland voted remain because we knew this would happen. Not because we genuinely like the EU on the vast majority.

[FuNsTeR]

Again with the complete ignoring of every factual point I state above. I'm not going to let you off on those points. You raised them, I countered them, now you're trying to back down from them about the price of relocating Trident, about the massive GDP loss, about the loss in population, the loss in land area and natural resources, the inevitable loss in budget, the act of an independant Scotland thieving a bunch of defence equipment when it goes and even more manpower.

You couldn't find a single defence analyst, enthusist or expert, who disagreed with any of that back in 2014, now suddenly everyone's ignoring it and trying to pretent the same things they said then don't exist simply to remain entrenched in an absolute sense of black and white over another issue that crops up.

Scotland proved it was willing to stay, and then this had to all upset the cart all over again before the previous wound had time to heal and fully settle down. Now there's millions of us who want to be in the UK up here, what in 2014 was a majority of us, could be very likely facing ourselves being torn out of the country we want to be in.

If you don't see that fact as the absolute horror that is, then frankly you are beyond uncaring about the very issues you are voting on. Scotland voted remain because we knew this would happen. Not because we genuinely like the EU on the vast majority.

trust me I have taken it in I can understand your hurt mate but the facts are plain to see one part of the union is going 1 way and another part is pulling the other way, every region in your country voted to remain in the EU it is time for England and Wales to cut our loses

another point we will still have the lions share of the UK defence hardware, we may spend some of our subsidy money to the EU, Scotland and N Ireland towards our own armed forces

[abc123]

I'm sad to say, but it's the truth: This is the day when UK/England died as a great power.

[RetroSicotte]

I don't think that difference will be as large as Mr Farage likes to say. Honestly I don't think anyone can know the difference. Scotland certainly provided more money into defence that it required spent on it, and most of that spending will need to come back to the billions and billions needed to build entirely new SSBN facilities (If those locations even agree!), a whole new frigate construction area and relocating Selex ES, Thales and BAE in general, that need to come from somewhere. What will be cut to make up for it?

The last time around, Scotland's aimed "take" was 6 C-130's, 12 Typhoons, 2 frigates, 4 Mine hunters, a logistics vessel, around 15,000 men for the Army, two light armored groups and a light artillery group, along with 75 special forces personnel. Can the UK absorb that sort of chunk? Not these days, not without severe damage to the escort taskings.

The facts aren't as straight as you may like to claim. A ton of the Scottish votes were not "for" the EU. They were to try and prevent Indyref2. It was strategic voting. So no, it's not going the other way. The SNP was actually decreasing in popularity until this skyrocketed them again by turning them into the only place for pro-EU folk.