Type 31 Frigate (Inspiration Class) [News Only]

[Poiuytrewq]

So in summary you only want to buy two T32s. As T32=T31B2.

No the opposite.

Forget about T31 and T32. It’s obscuring.

RN needs an improved T31 with a bit more capability. A maximised platform with known bottlenecks removed at build.

IMO seven hulls is all that can be managed without further funding.

HMG could do what the French do and just build 5x T31, then 5x Improved T31 and then source buyers for the surplus hulls later. That would be smart.

However it’s very unlikely HMT would agree to it and therefore relying on the T32 is extremely unwise IMO.

[Tempest414]

Can you layout for me the way you got to 500m for MNP

No problem.

If we can agree that a basic T31 plus GFE comes to ~£350m then add £50m per hull for the redesign from B1 to B2 that’s amounts to ~£400m.

The additional fabrication of mission areas, stern ramp, davits etc should amount to at least an extra £50m per hull. Depending on the overhead gantry crane installed in the amidships mission area it could be much more expensive especially if the Rolls Royce MBHS is installed to provide commonality with the T26.

The remaining £50m is to allow for inflation before program commencement in the late 2020s.

It’s only a ballpark estimate but if RN try and embark on building 5x T32 such as the MNP without a solid £2.5bn allocated it could be a very troubled program with a high risk of blowing the budget.

I suspect this is why HMT sent it back the first time due to affordability concerns.

So where are we now with Type 31

build contact 1.25 billion
GFE from start 90 million
40 million to cover Covid and inflation
55 million for CEP
600K for S2170 SSTD

this means at this time Type 31 is at 287.1 million per ship

[Ron5]

So in summary you only want to buy two T32s. As T32=T31B2.

No the opposite.

Forget about T31 and T32. It’s obscuring.

RN needs an improved T31 with a bit more capability. A maximised platform with known bottlenecks removed at build.

IMO seven hulls is all that can be managed without further funding.

HMG could do what the French do and just build 5x T31, then 5x Improved T31 and then source buyers for the surplus hulls later. That would be smart.

However it’s very unlikely HMT would agree to it and therefore relying on the T32 is extremely unwise IMO.

You're confusing me a little (seems that's my theme for the day): In your thinking, is AH140 MNP an improved Type 31 or a Type 32?

[Poiuytrewq]

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So where are we now with Type 31

build contact 1.25 billion
GFE from start 90 million
40 million to cover Covid and inflation
55 million for CEP
600K for S2170 SSTD

this means at this time Type 31 is at 287.1 million per ship

Plus the Mk41 cells and the integration of all of the weapons systems.

There is a long way to go yet.

[Tempest414]

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So where are we now with Type 31

build contact 1.25 billion
GFE from start 90 million
40 million to cover Covid and inflation
55 million for CEP
600K for S2170 SSTD

this means at this time Type 31 is at 287.1 million per ship

Plus the Mk41 cells and the integration of all of the weapons systems.

There is a long way to go yet.

We don't know the the cost for them yet hence highlighting at this time

[donald_of_tokyo]

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So where are we now with Type 31

build contact 1.25 billion
GFE from start 90 million
40 million to cover Covid and inflation
55 million for CEP
600K for S2170 SSTD

this means at this time Type 31 is at 287.1 million per ship

Plus the Mk41 cells and the integration of all of the weapons systems.

There is a long way to go yet.

We don't know the the cost for them yet hence highlighting at this time

Please add 100M GBP for SeaCeptor integration, the MOD contract to MBDA.

[Poiuytrewq]

[Tempest414]

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So where are we now with Type 31

build contact 1.25 billion
GFE from start 90 million
40 million to cover Covid and inflation
55 million for CEP
600K for S2170 SSTD

this means at this time Type 31 is at 287.1 million per ship

Plus the Mk41 cells and the integration of all of the weapons systems.

There is a long way to go yet.

We don't know the the cost for them yet hence highlighting at this time

Please add 100M GBP for SeaCeptor integration, the MOD contract to MBDA.

I see the contract for this but no cost i.e is the 100m a real figure or is it your guess on costs only I am trying to keep tab on actual contracts and costs so far any links many thanks

[tomuk]

They look more robust than some of COTS stuff on the QECs.

[Tempest414]

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So where are we now with Type 31

build contact 1.25 billion
GFE from start 90 million ( CAMM order 21/05/21 )
40 million to cover Covid and inflation
55 million for CEP
600K for S2170 SSTD

this means at this time Type 31 is at 287.1 million per ship

Plus the Mk41 cells and the integration of all of the weapons systems.

There is a long way to go yet.

We don't know the the cost for them yet hence highlighting at this time

Please add 100M GBP for SeaCeptor integration, the MOD contract to MBDA.

Having looked around as said we can see the CAMM order by the MOD for type 31 on the 21 May 2021 but there is no cost added so if people are happy I have put this next to the 90 million GFE above for now as CAMM could be seen as GFE

[pko100]

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So where are we now with Type 31

build contact 1.25 billion
GFE from start 90 million ( CAMM order 21/05/21 )
40 million to cover Covid and inflation
55 million for CEP
600K for S2170 SSTD

this means at this time Type 31 is at 287.1 million per ship

Plus the Mk41 cells and the integration of all of the weapons systems.

There is a long way to go yet.

We don't know the the cost for them yet hence highlighting at this time

Please add 100M GBP for SeaCeptor integration, the MOD contract to MBDA.

Having looked around as said we can see the CAMM order by the MOD for type 31 on the 21 May 2021 but there is no cost added so if people are happy I have put this next to the 90 million GFE above for now as CAMM could be seen as GFE

I'm not certain about your CAMM costs as there are virtually zero additional equipments required to meet the Type 31 programme requirements. CAMM equipment including the common missile stockpile is funded out of the Complex Weapons stream rather than the Navy's ship acquisition stream. I have seen £70m bandied around as the cost of the Type 31 integration and test rig which I assume is not included in your list.

[donald_of_tokyo]

I'm not certain about your CAMM costs as there are virtually zero additional equipments required to meet the Type 31 programme requirements. CAMM equipment including the common missile stockpile is funded out of the Complex Weapons stream rather than the Navy's ship acquisition stream. I have seen £70m bandied around as the cost of the Type 31 integration and test rig which I assume is not included in your list.

In any sense, integrating some system to fight is requires, integration, verification, certification and support. Even if you have all the kits, LMS boxes, cables, softwares, CMS, consoles (some of them do not), integrating it does cost a lot. If you add up all the equipment of T26 or A. Burge class DDG, you can just amount to 20-30% of the total cost.

Mk41 VLS cells are cheap. Integrating Mk41 VLS is not.

[Tempest414]

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So where are we now with Type 31

build contact 1.25 billion
GFE from start 90 million ( CAMM order 21/05/21 )
40 million to cover Covid and inflation
55 million for CEP
600K for S2170 SSTD

this means at this time Type 31 is at 287.1 million per ship

Plus the Mk41 cells and the integration of all of the weapons systems.

There is a long way to go yet.

We don't know the the cost for them yet hence highlighting at this time

Please add 100M GBP for SeaCeptor integration, the MOD contract to MBDA.

Having looked around as said we can see the CAMM order by the MOD for type 31 on the 21 May 2021 but there is no cost added so if people are happy I have put this next to the 90 million GFE above for now as CAMM could be seen as GFE

I'm not certain about your CAMM costs as there are virtually zero additional equipments required to meet the Type 31 programme requirements. CAMM equipment including the common missile stockpile is funded out of the Complex Weapons stream rather than the Navy's ship acquisition stream. I have seen £70m bandied around as the cost of the Type 31 integration and test rig which I assume is not included in your list.

The order on the 21/05/21 was for CAMM integration into to five ships systems. As said there is no price quoted for this contact and this is why I have put this order alongside the 90 million GFE as this money needs to cover something and to this date has not account for anything that I can find

[Poiuytrewq]

Here are a few more from Mr Moores.

[Tempest414]

Here are a few more from Mr Moores.

Shame we didn't get to see the starboard boat bays

[Jackstar]

[new guy]

Bloody awful resolution on those displays

[SW1]

[sol]

[mrclark303]

Bloody awful resolution on those displays

They are only being used for playing pacman Ron, so they will be fine.....

[Jackstar]

[Jensy]

HDMS Iver Huitfeldt heading home for an early bath, after going up against the Iranian Houthi proxies.



https://marineschepen.nl/nieuws/Deens-f ... 20424.html

...and yes I do know the referenced weapons systems are completely different to Type 31.

[Jdam]

Are we getting APAR radar and C-FLEX Combat Management System for our Type 31's?

[Pte. James Frazer]

Are we getting APAR radar and C-FLEX Combat Management System for our Type 31's?

Nope, Thales NS100 medium range 4D radar and Thales TACTICOS CMS. Same company supplying both (unlike the Danes) so you'd expect no integration issues.

Same with all the EO sensors.

In the future Thales are also prime on the Schiebel S-100 rotary UAV that's been procured for Peregrine (should be on HMS Lancaster shortly)...so hopefuly ditto re sensor fusion there.

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[Markam]

I must say that is a mighty fine looking ship in the photo, a very nice angle.