Correction 4 years before the first ship launched.BAE Systems gave Lockheed Martin the contract to equip the Type 26's in March 2018, 4 years before the ships even launched.
Can we?We have seen no additional foreign military sales requests and no contracts to LM for more Mk41, HMS Venturer is to be launched later on this year.
I think we can all see where this is going.
What has the launch of HMS Glasgow got to do with Mk41? When she was launched and towed back for fitting out her deck was solid with no hole for any of the VLS yet.Scimitar54 wrote: ↑03 Feb 2024, 16:03 Jdam wrote:-
Correction 4 years before the first ship launched.BAE Systems gave Lockheed Martin the contract to equip the Type 26's in March 2018, 4 years before the ships even launched.
Can we?We have seen no additional foreign military sales requests and no contracts to LM for more Mk41, HMS Venturer is to be launched later on this year.
I think we can all see where this is going.
There is plenty of time to acquire more Mk41 for T26 hulls 5 to 8, if some of the original order was to be re-purposed.
He's talking abut lead time.tomuk wrote: ↑06 Feb 2024, 06:21What has the launch of HMS Glasgow got to do with Mk41? When she was launched and towed back for fitting out her deck was solid with no hole for any of the VLS yet.Scimitar54 wrote: ↑03 Feb 2024, 16:03 Jdam wrote:-
Correction 4 years before the first ship launched.BAE Systems gave Lockheed Martin the contract to equip the Type 26's in March 2018, 4 years before the ships even launched.
Can we?We have seen no additional foreign military sales requests and no contracts to LM for more Mk41, HMS Venturer is to be launched later on this year.
I think we can all see where this is going.
There is plenty of time to acquire more Mk41 for T26 hulls 5 to 8, if some of the original order was to be re-purposed.
Yes that was obvious the point being Mk41 want fitted to Glasgow when she left GovanRon5 wrote: ↑06 Feb 2024, 14:16He's talking abut lead time.tomuk wrote: ↑06 Feb 2024, 06:21What has the launch of HMS Glasgow got to do with Mk41? When she was launched and towed back for fitting out her deck was solid with no hole for any of the VLS yet.Scimitar54 wrote: ↑03 Feb 2024, 16:03 Jdam wrote:-
Correction 4 years before the first ship launched.BAE Systems gave Lockheed Martin the contract to equip the Type 26's in March 2018, 4 years before the ships even launched.
Can we?We have seen no additional foreign military sales requests and no contracts to LM for more Mk41, HMS Venturer is to be launched later on this year.
I think we can all see where this is going.
There is plenty of time to acquire more Mk41 for T26 hulls 5 to 8, if some of the original order was to be re-purposed.
The is a bit worrying, the main benefit of the program is that we were getting 5 ships for 1.25 billion, if the costs are going to creep up how can you keep the costs under NDA? We are unable to gauge the success of the projectsay their dispute with the MoD over costs for Type 31 Frigate programme has been resolved. (Details subject to NDA)
The figures will come out it an NDA won't stand up to parliamentary scrutiny.Jdam wrote: ↑09 Feb 2024, 16:44The is a bit worrying, the main benefit of the program is that we were getting 5 ships for 1.25 billion, if the costs are going to creep up how can you keep the costs under NDA? We are unable to gauge the success of the projectsay their dispute with the MoD over costs for Type 31 Frigate programme has been resolved. (Details subject to NDA)
It’s not just high inflation it’s large variations in inflation quickly and foreign currency and a very tight supply chain were people are bidding with each other to jump queues and get earlier deliver slots. It’s 3 decades of attempting to de industrialise the west and associated skills shortage that has generated.
No, bulbous bow. We have seen it before and it is a pure steel block.
The way back when floater for the T31 mentioned that the design should be capable of adding a hull sonar. FFBNW so to speak. Not heard much on that recently.
You could probably put T31 in a dry dock and cut out part of the Bulbous bow to install one. The AH140 Design is capable of having a HMS, But the RN hasn't even chosen to FFBNW one.
According to the UK’s shipbuilding programme, five Type 31 Inspiration-class general-purpose frigates will be introduced into Royal Navy service from 2027, with Babcock apparently tasked to complete the handover of the fifth and final vessel the following year. Following each handover, the Royal Navy will begin a test and trials programme to ensure the vessel is ready for service, with HMS Venturer’s own due to be around four years long.The Type 31 frigate will now have the Mk41 integrated into the class, likely fitted amidships next to or in replacement of the existing SeaCeptor ‘mushroom farm’.
The integration the Mk 41 vertical launch systems (VLS) into the UK’s upcoming Type 31 frigates could come in the form of capability insertion periods carried out after the vessel has been delivered to the Royal Navy, rather than during the build process.
during a media briefing with Babcock at the company’s Royal Navy Dockyard in HMNB Devonport on 8 February, 2024, officials told Naval Technology that it was imperative the vessels were delivered on time to the Royal Navy.
The integration of the Mk 41 VLS into the Type 31 frigates could be done during “capability insertion periods” after the vessels had been delivered, officials said, adding that it was key that any decision should not “disrupt the delivery”.
Potentially, earlier vessels could be completed as originally designed, with future ships in class incorporating the Mk 41 VLS during the construction phase. The earlier designed vessels would then have the Mk 41 fitted at a later date during a capability upgrade phase undertaken around halfway through the initial service life, usually around 10-12 years.
This could create a two-variant class of Type 31 frigate, with older models initially delivered on a ‘fitted for but not with’ the Mk 41. This is relatively common among naval warship programmes, with variants created to fulfill specific roles, such as anti-ship warfare, as required.
Pointless doing that.Jdam wrote: ↑11 Feb 2024, 12:24 And there it is.
This is the bit where everyone says we install them after, that we will take our brand new warship off line for another 12 months rip out the current CAMM launchers to get the MK41 installed after its built (Pissing away god knows how much money in the process)
That said it is refreshing to see Babcock wanting to keep the build schedule on time by not having any complications. (I know it goes against the above but its nice to see)
You're assuming the Mk 41's will replace the mushrooms. I'm not so sure they will. I think they will be additional to.Scimitar54 wrote: ↑11 Feb 2024, 17:26 If very early insertion of Mk41 is assured, then further unnecessary work to create the Mushroom Farm may even be halted. It might also speed handover to the RN.
