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Fantastic stuffPoiuytrewq wrote: ↑08 Sep 2023, 00:27 Welcome to the future!
https://ukdefencejournal.org.uk/britain ... e-carrier/
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Absolutely amazing.dmereifield wrote: ↑08 Sep 2023, 01:07Fantastic stuffPoiuytrewq wrote: ↑08 Sep 2023, 00:27 Welcome to the future!
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HMS QE moving out today exactly 1 week after POW.
https://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/khm/portsm ... 08/09/2023
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Interesting it avoided the ski ramp and launched at a angle - advantages of a long deck, but perhaps adding an angled deck should be added to the wish list.
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Story by Dr Lee Willett:
https://www.navalnews.com/event-news/ds ... apability/The UK Royal Navy (RN) has flown an uncrewed air system (UAS) onto and off an aircraft carrier for the first time. The successful trial demonstrated new capability for the navy and a new approach to procurement.
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It is the future but it should also be the future on the Albion replacements.
If it doesn’t happen the MRSS are going to be obsolescent before they are even commissioned.
If it doesn’t happen the MRSS are going to be obsolescent before they are even commissioned.
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How would they be planning to move supplies around a task group using that? It cant land on a frigate or stores ship can it? You could use a Malloy T400 today and land on all the ships with near double the payload.
Doubt you would be able to move stores from shore to the ship because it isn’t certified for use in civil airspace as far as I’m aware.
An interesting trial in you can land a fixed wing plane on an aircraft carrier but then again they landed an launched a islander on Hermes 45 years ago not sure why the big media blitz about it if I’m honest.
Doubt you would be able to move stores from shore to the ship because it isn’t certified for use in civil airspace as far as I’m aware.
An interesting trial in you can land a fixed wing plane on an aircraft carrier but then again they landed an launched a islander on Hermes 45 years ago not sure why the big media blitz about it if I’m honest.
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The Navy should be aiming to scale up these fixed wing demonstrators to carry ISTAR payloads, and eventually replace crows nest.
For cargo deliveries VTOL seems like the better option, something that can be used across any ship in the fleet.
For cargo deliveries VTOL seems like the better option, something that can be used across any ship in the fleet.
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Agreed but a CVF launched/recovered Sea Guardian type capability should also be pursued asap to free up the Merlin fleet and reduce operating costs.shark bait wrote: ↑08 Sep 2023, 14:21 The Navy should be aiming to scale up these fixed wing demonstrators to carry ISTAR payloads, and eventually replace crows nest.
For cargo deliveries VTOL seems like the better option, something that can be used across any ship in the fleet.
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Long distance resupply of critical kit which could then be moved around the task group using other assets. The use case makes perfect sense to me, though the way they worded it was odd.
Not yet, but it’s only a matter of time. No difference to a Reaper etc
Don’t remember anything apart from a Harrier that was fixed wing landing on an Invincible class. Isn’t it great to have large carries again and the options they bring
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For inter-ship transfers. or ship-to-shore, I agree, but fixed-wing, particularly if sufficiently scaled up, would be better for longer-distance transfers out to the carrier group. I see them as complementaryshark bait wrote: ↑08 Sep 2023, 14:21 For cargo deliveries VTOL seems like the better option, something that can be used across any ship in the fleet.
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No commentPoiuytrewq wrote: ↑08 Sep 2023, 10:13 It is the future but it should also be the future on the Albion replacements.
If it doesn’t happen the MRSS are going to be obsolescent before they are even commissioned.
A third flat-top would come in handy wouldn’t it.
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Baby steps - but welcome, start cheap & cheerful, workout the bugs then progress to something truely useful
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Long distance supply from where to where?Repulse wrote: ↑08 Sep 2023, 15:31Long distance resupply of critical kit which could then be moved around the task group using other assets. The use case makes perfect sense to me, though the way they worded it was odd.
Not yet, but it’s only a matter of time. No difference to a Reaper etc
Don’t remember anything apart from a Harrier that was fixed wing landing on an Invincible class. Isn’t it great to have large carries again and the options they bring
The money redesign and certification requirements to make these type of a/c fit for civil airspace is very significant not to mention require order of magnitude in payload scaling just ask the army and watchkeeper…
We seem to have becoming overexcited PR about rather trivial steps these days.
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Anywhere from the 70km range of the T400 to 1,000 km it seems.
A bit more than PR don’t you think, proving the possible - getting this certified is a job that would need to be done but hardly insurmountable. With a large deck this just the first and looking forward to seeing much more.SW1 wrote: ↑08 Sep 2023, 19:59 The money redesign and certification requirements to make these type of a/c fit for civil airspace is very significant not to mention require order of magnitude in payload scaling just ask the army and watchkeeper…
We seem to have becoming overexcited PR about rather trivial steps these days.
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Do ships spread out in the task group that far? Range is great unless you can’t use it outside of closed airspace.Repulse wrote: ↑08 Sep 2023, 22:51Anywhere from the 70km range of the T400 to 1,000 km it seems.
A bit more than PR don’t you think, proving the possible - getting this certified is a job that would need to be done but hardly insurmountable. With a large deck this just the first and looking forward to seeing much more.SW1 wrote: ↑08 Sep 2023, 19:59 The money redesign and certification requirements to make these type of a/c fit for civil airspace is very significant not to mention require order of magnitude in payload scaling just ask the army and watchkeeper…
We seem to have becoming overexcited PR about rather trivial steps these days.
Nope I don’t.
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Not as useful as 3x LHDs and a handful of escorts for the same price.
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When Mojave is shown to safely operate from the CVFs it will be far from trivial it will be revolutionary.
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As said, the immediate use case is landing critical supplies on the carrier that can then be distributed by carrier or VTOL UAV short distances between the ships.
UAVs are as vulnerable, and apply to the same airspace rules as any other aircraft, but Ukraine has shown that they can still operate in a war.
zone.
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