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While in past I used it, I think it became increasingly clear how inaccurate that is. Like I said on Skype, I saw massive discrepencies on it treating each weapon release as separate "counts" of air strikes, while other countries it only treated the sortie as one, even if it released 3-4 weapons.
Wouldn't put much faith any more in it. Wish I still had that old Gdocs tracking it all.
Wouldn't put much faith any more in it. Wish I still had that old Gdocs tracking it all.
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Fallon: UK Must Strike Syria Despite Russia Fears
Read More: http://news.sky.com/story/1571655/fallo ... ssia-fearsBritain should join airstrikes in Syria and not be "diverted" by the "worrying" risk of a clash with Russian forces, the Defence Secretary has said.
Michael Fallon said there was an "inescapable logic" to extending UK military action across the border from Iraq in its fight against Islamic State (IS).
He also accused Russian President Vladimir Putin of "prolonging" the bloodshed in Syria by supporting President Bashar Assad's regime
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Syria Crisis: UK 'Letting Down' Allies Over Air Strikes
Read More: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34759339The UK is "letting down" its allies by failing to launch air strikes against terrorist group Islamic State in Syria, says Britain's top military commander.
General Sir Nicholas Houghton, the chief of the defence staff, criticised the UK policy of restricting RAF air strikes to neighbouring Iraq.
He said the decision "makes no sense" when IS, also known as Isil, has its stronghold in Syria.
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UK Forces On Frontline Of Battle For Sinjar
Read More: http://news.sky.com/story/1586223/uk-fo ... sf-twitterBritish troops are involved on the frontline with Kurdish forces battling to retake Sinjar in northern Iraq from Islamic State.
US-led coalition airstrikes have been pounding IS-held areas in the town - directed by US and British special forces on the frontline, Kurdish Peshmerga commanders have told Sky News.
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'Jihadi John': US Air Strike Targets Islamic State Militant in Syria
Read More: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-34805924US forces have carried out an air strike targeting the Islamic State group militant "Jihadi John", with a "high degree of certainty" he was hit.
Mohammed Emwazi, the Kuwaiti-born British militant, appeared in videos of the beheadings of Western hostages.
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A Tornado GR4 has reportedly wiped out 30 ISIL fighters with a Paveway IV. The Reapers have also been busy dropping Paveway IIs and one even provided overwatch support for the recent French airstrikes on Raqqa in Syria.
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/upda ... es-in-iraq
Does anyone know why there's a BAE 146 picture on that page, by the way? Is it just a library picture or are they being used in support of Op Shader too?
https://www.gov.uk/government/news/upda ... es-in-iraq
Does anyone know why there's a BAE 146 picture on that page, by the way? Is it just a library picture or are they being used in support of Op Shader too?
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10% of our total in one go!The Armchair Soldier wrote: Does anyone know why there's a BAE 146 picture on that page, by the way? Is it just a library picture or are they being used in support of Op Shader too?
I think they have updated the image to a more suitable one now!
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I doubt the RAFs BAE 146s being used as routine in shader , maybe the odd vip transport in and out of the theatre of operations but other than that I just can't see the numbers being available ,The Armchair Soldier wrote: Does anyone know why there's a BAE 146 picture on that page, by the way? Is it just a library picture or are they being used in support of Op Shader too?
it's my understanding the RAF have 5 BAE 146s total in the Royal squadron ??? , one was used to transport Cameron to and from the g20 a few days ago , the others are primary on standby for the Royal family and other leading members of the Government ,
Unless I've got the numbers wrong , I can't see any being available to use in regular operations . As for the pic I'm guessing it's from the mods pic library tbh.
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I think you do have your numbers wrongLugzy wrote:
I doubt the RAFs BAE 146s being used as routine in shader , maybe the odd vip transport in and out of the theatre of operations but other than that I just can't see the numbers being available ,
it's my understanding the RAF have 5 BAE 146s total in the Royal squadron ??? , one was used to transport Cameron to and from the g20 a few days ago , the others are primary on standby for the Royal family and other leading members of the Government ,
Unless I've got the numbers wrong , I can't see any being available to use in regular operations . As for the pic I'm guessing it's from the mods pic library tbh.
The RFA have 4 BAE 146.
2 are long serving aircraft that are used only for the VIP role. 2 extras where procured in the last 5 years through and UOR for Afghanistan. These where purchased from TNT and converted into a tactical airlifter. They have palletised seating so can be used for passengers, cargo, or a mixture of both!
A brilliant purchase of an in service aircraft being used for a new multi role purpose. Let's buy the rest as they come out of service, 146 mpa any one??
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@SB , yep your right , and yes they seem a very reliable and tough aircraft and rather useful I must say , but I don't think we need to give the gov more ideas on filling the MPA gap on the cheap
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It was the only one they could get quickly enough, to be a taxi for the Bastion centric hub & spokes model of supply... as DAS had been developed/ fitted for the Royal Flight a/c.shark bait wrote:2 extras where procured in the last 5 years through and UOR for Afghanistan. These where purchased from TNT and converted into a tactical airlifter.
- they have a wide side (rear) door, but no ramp
Ever-lasting truths: Multi-year budgets/ planning by necessity have to address the painful questions; more often than not the Either-Or prevails over Both-And.
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
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Are you sure? I'm pretty sure it was twoArmChairCivvy wrote: It was the only one they could get quickly enough, to be a taxi for the Bastion centric hub & spokes model of supply... as DAS had been developed/ fitted for the Royal Flight a/c.
- they have a wide side (rear) door, but no ramp
https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... ts-382440/
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They do seem like a great little aircraft.Lugzy wrote:@SB , yep your right , and yes they seem a very reliable and tough aircraft and rather useful I must say , but I don't think we need to give the gov more ideas on filling the MPA gap on the cheap
BAE are pursuing extra conversions with more of the type coming to the end of their civilian life. Could be worth the RAF investing a little more.
Probably not a workable MPA, but I think I would prefer it to the 'sea herk'
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What?? The only type (not one a/c) that already had a DAS developed/ specified, so was quick enough to do for the 2nd hand purchaseshark bait wrote:ArmChairCivvy wrote:
It was the only one they could get quickly enough, to be a taxi for the Bastion centric hub & spokes model of supply... as DAS had been developed/ fitted for the Royal Flight a/c.
- they have a wide side (rear) door, but no ramp
Are you sure? I'm pretty sure it was two
Ever-lasting truths: Multi-year budgets/ planning by necessity have to address the painful questions; more often than not the Either-Or prevails over Both-And.
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
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OK, I get what you mean now.ArmChairCivvy wrote:What?? The only type (not one a/c) that already had a DAS developed/ specified, so was quick enough to do for the 2nd hand purchase
I think there might be a little more to it as well. It was effectively built for the air bridge role, only people from regional to hub. Its a very versitiel aircraft with many roles including fire fighting and atmospheric research. Capable in short, steep and gravel conditions, and also cheap which make it a great purchase in my oppinion.
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Yep, if we need to fly nationals and non-nationals away, from a dirt strip again, like in Libya.
- a quick in and out job
- Herc is good, too, but noisy (and I wasn't quoting Alex above)
- a quick in and out job
- Herc is good, too, but noisy (and I wasn't quoting Alex above)
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If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
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British Warship Set to Support French Carrier Group on ISIL Mission
Read More: https://www.gov.uk/government/news/brit ... il-missionThe Royal Navy warship HMS Defender will support the French aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle when she deploys to tackle ISIL. The ship will provide air defence cover for the French carrier.
Defence Secretary Michael Fallon said:
France is firmly resolved in its determination to tackle ISIL and we need to help too.
This barbaric terrorist organisation must be destroyed and it’s right that we offer all the support we can to confront them.
We will continue our own advanced surveillance and strike missions against ISIL. They are a threat to our security in the UK, as well as to France and the rest of Europe.
We will consider any further requests for support from France under Article 42.7 of the EU Treaty following Friday’s Paris terror attacks.
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@SB , ACC
I found this small article on the RAFs site regarding the BAE 146s being used in Afghanistan , it's a few years old but gives a little insight into its operations .
http://www.raf.mod.uk/news/archive/bae1 ... 3-29042013
I found this small article on the RAFs site regarding the BAE 146s being used in Afghanistan , it's a few years old but gives a little insight into its operations .
http://www.raf.mod.uk/news/archive/bae1 ... 3-29042013
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All kinds of flying things spotted over Syria, for instance this turned out to be true:
(in conjunction with the equally old Russian bombers; however, they have their factories providing spares, whereas every single USN Tomcat was shredded in the TSR2/ Nimrod MR4A style... just to deny any recovery of parts).
(in conjunction with the equally old Russian bombers; however, they have their factories providing spares, whereas every single USN Tomcat was shredded in the TSR2/ Nimrod MR4A style... just to deny any recovery of parts).
Ever-lasting truths: Multi-year budgets/ planning by necessity have to address the painful questions; more often than not the Either-Or prevails over Both-And.
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
If everyone is thinking the same, then someone is not thinking (attributed to Patton)
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The French Defence Secretary, Jean-Yves Le Drian, has written an article in The Guardian calling for the UK to join France in Syrian airstrikes:
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... are_btn_tw
The Russian Ambassador to the UK, Alexandar Yakovenko, has done a similar article in The Telegraph:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ether.html
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfre ... are_btn_tw
The Russian Ambassador to the UK, Alexandar Yakovenko, has done a similar article in The Telegraph:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldne ... ether.html
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The vote to extend British airstrikes onto Syria will be held on Wednesday:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34970516
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-34970516
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So the vote in Parliament has gone in favour of airstrikes in Syria. There's talk of strikes starting within hours.