Future UK Maritime Patrol Options

[seaspear]

The Australian Defense Science Technology Organisation at Fishermans Bend selected The" Wedgetail " after an extensive evauation of all the contenders to select the best aircraft I remember being told that there was controversy from the U.S over the amount of technology transfer and was informed then correctly which countries would follow Australias lead in this selection .
Australia has been involved in the development of the Poseidon for a few years so it would have a good appreciation of what it is getting.

[marktigger]

yes there are risks in any project and yes P8 MAY be fine however it may not. The method of this procurement is flawed and looks like someone went to washington and was told you will buy P8 when you get into government.

If this turns into another expensive fiasco like Nimrod its more of yours and my tax money poured down the drain.
we were railroaded into the nimrod procurement by Bae and it looks like we're being railroaded into the P8 procurement by the US govt.

[RichardIC]

It can't turn into another Nimrod fiasco because we're not shouldering the vast expense of design, development and in-service support and update on our tod.

The P8 already exists, it's in service with the primary user and already has two export customers.

[marktigger]

It can't turn into another Nimrod fiasco because we're not shouldering the vast expense of design, development and in-service support and update on our tod.

The P8 already exists, it's in service with it primary user and already has two export customers.

any procurement has the potential to turn into another nimrod yes we have lowered the risks and aren't shouldering them on our own but there are still risks. I find it very convenient some of the decisions made in 2010 SDSR and the current plans given Dr Fox's close U.S. ties and long trip there before the 2010 election.

[downsizer]

What are the risks you see with the P8 then?

[marktigger]

that is going to be very dependent on the contract
are we tied to using US contractors?
Have the structural and aerodynamic issues been fully resolved including in the long term?
in flight refueling how independent will we be if we have to rely on USAF?
Future sustainability and modifications?
UK weapons useage?
MAD or lack there of?

[downsizer]

So the same risks as all the other options then?

All of which are already being addressed.

[marktigger]

if we are leasing can we use the aircraft and have it supported when acting in UK interests even if these conflict with US aims or policy?

[raven111]

if we are leasing can we use the aircraft and have it supported when acting in UK interests even if these conflict with US aims or policy?

Do we even do that any more? Apart from Mali everything post Corporate has been the US telling us to jump and us asking how high.

[marktigger]

if we have to beef up falklands garrison or interdict arms for IRA? could the US interfere by not allowing us to use P8?

[downsizer]

Can I have one of your tinfoil hats?

[downsizer]

They won't be leased anyway.

[jimthelad]

P8 (USN ) has just flown with an all UK crew - seedcorn and exchange personnel.

[arfah]

P8 (USN ) has just flown with an all UK crew - seedcorn and exchange personnel.

Ta-daaaah !

So, how many have we got on a P1?

[raven111]

They won't be leased anyway.

I thought our nebulous source had said they would to start with.

[downsizer]

P8 (USN ) has just flown with an all UK crew - seedcorn and exchange personnel.

Not the first time either.

[RetroSicotte]

Sources can differ.

[jonas]

P8 (USN ) has just flown with an all UK crew - seedcorn and exchange personnel.

Not the first time either.

You mean like this time :-

http://archive.navytimes.com/article/20 ... l-airplane

[downsizer]

P8 (USN ) has just flown with an all UK crew - seedcorn and exchange personnel.

Not the first time either.

You mean like this time :-

http://archive.navytimes.com/article/20 ... l-airplane

Yep, and others.

[Ianmb17]

And they won the 2014 fleet challenge exercise hope they can do it in one of these next time




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[jimthelad]

They won't be leased anyway.

I thought our nebulous source had said they would to start with.

Nebulas can be very dangerous places. DS, I think we may have borrowed the airframe (s) for this flight in a more permanent way. Whether we get to keep them is another matter but there and those 13 gaps with none US numbers in the Boeing order caaologue.

Raven to satisfy your pruirient needs, that comes from a member of the line assembly team who works for Boeing as a subcontractor. I will try to get the document the next time I see him(October). Then perhaps you can be a jolly good chap and foxtrot uniform charlie kilo off and leave discussions to the grown ups.

[raven111]

So having a slightly more stringent standard of proof makes me childish?

[jimthelad]

So having a slightly more stringent standard of proof makes me childish?

No but constantly pestering does! Sometimes the open source intel is backed up by the unofficial rumour mill. If you have ever worn a green suit then you would know that to be true. 4 posters here have all corroborated the information on P8 all who have sources or themselves have a lot to lose. If we are wrong then we will all have to account for it, and feel the poorer. It might surprise you to know this thread like the former is quite closely watched and has on one occasion caused changes to policy.

As for the insatiable demand for source material, start doing deep web searches, get in with humint sources who know what they are talking about, or ask your paymasters if you are what I suspect you are!

[shark bait]

and yet somehow as belittling others and their ideas is for "the grown ups"

[jimthelad]

and yet somehow as belittling others and their ideas is for "the grown ups"

Did not intend to be patronising but sometimes when you are told something from 4 independant sources then there might be something in it?!