seaspear wrote:Is comparing the f35 to other aircraft is like comparing apples and oranges in this regard?
Lord Jim wrote: bring additional operating costs with the need to maintain the aircraft to a higher level
Four 617 Squadron jets landed on HMS Queen Elizabeth in the North Sea
The F35s began initial pilot qualification period right away. 4 more jets likely to join soon. The jets will then exercise defending carrier group by maintaining combat air patrols (CAP), launching and flying strike missions on simulated land targets and being held on deck to launch at very short notice. This is the first complete deployment of 617 Squadron on the ship.
Bring Deeps wrote:In all the debate about how few F35s the UK has there hasn't been much recognition of how professional and successful the RN/RAF have been in re-creating fixed wing aviation.
Years ago I can remember the revised (post Brown carrier delay) timeline for the project being set out and the 2021 initial operational deployment looked as far away as a manned expedition to Mars.
Timmymagic wrote: all true, but I think everyone needs to recognise how far we are away still from a full capability. At present the limited munitions available to UK F-35B mean that we're still about 7-8 years away from getting the full capability
ArmChairCivvy wrote:Timmymagic wrote: all true, but I think everyone needs to recognise how far we are away still from a full capability. At present the limited munitions available to UK F-35B mean that we're still about 7-8 years away from getting the full capability
Yep, the official recognition (for a while) has been 6 years (between IOC carrier strike and ISD CEPP). The 1-2 extra, on top, are coming from the Block4 forever just gliding, and being chopped up into interim deliverables for LM to maintain some credibility
... expect a bill, too, for anything in those deliverables that wasn't specifically covered in the Tier1 Partnering Agreement
- which year, again, was that text written?
The Uk has added no weapons to the list... so no bill will be arriving.Ron5 wrote:Partners are asked to pay for integration of their weapons
Ron5 wrote:As for limitations on F-35B munitions, that's bollocks too. Ample choice of weapons if a hot war arrived tomorrow.
Tempest414 wrote: re Spear and Brimstone on F-35
downsizer wrote:I think the point he was making was that the UK could use US weapons should it choose to.
Tempest414 wrote:Was meant to be meeting up with friend at Wattisham in Aug he is working on Spear 3 and his son is the junior engineering officer on 17 Sqn at this time I will try and have a word about what they think re Spear and Brimstone on F-35 may take a few day
downsizer wrote:I never said his point wasn't obtuse.
serge750 wrote:I would of thought If there is a need for a weapon intergration, it could be done under a Urgent operational Requirement ? even if its used by the US, & rushed through, 'tis amazing how quickly things can get done if needed urgently.
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