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How do you feel about the F-35B for the RN and RAF? (2 votes per member)

GOOD choice for the Royal Navy
114
45%
BAD choice for the Royal Navy
9
4%
Uncertain (RN)
11
4%
GOOD choice for the Royal Air Force
45
18%
BAD choice for the Royal Air Force
35
14%
Uncertain (RAF)
37
15%
 
Total votes: 251

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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

Postby SDL » 03 Dec 2018, 17:37

seems there's been a government committee today involving the MOD.... some points made about the F35s

Tweets from @hthjones

SL says the variant of the other 90 after the initial 48 aircraft has not yet been confirmed.

Says that decision won't be made for a V. long time.


F-35A is the less complex aircraft, and is thus cheaper to procure says Poffley.

Interestingly he says a lot is dependent upon the orders of other nations


Poffley: for the avoidance of any doubt, all initial 48 aircraft will be Bs.

Describes likelihood of an order of As as "pretty remote", but "analysis will be done"

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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

Postby Ron5 » 03 Dec 2018, 19:11

There's been chatter about the appointments of the next heads of the RAF & RN. Surprising choices as more senior names were overlooked and explained by saying Williamson wants younger guys with transformational mindsets.

Just a passing thought but what if "transformational mindsets" is code for guys that don't participate in inter-service warfare of the kind sparked recently by various RAF types musing out loud that the RAF would be better off with F-35A's.

If I remember correctly, one of those doing the musing is also one of those that has been passed over.

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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

Postby indeid » 03 Dec 2018, 20:08

Ron5 wrote:There's been chatter about the appointments of the next heads of the RAF & RN. Surprising choices as more senior names were overlooked and explained by saying Williamson wants younger guys with transformational mindsets.

Just a passing thought but what if "transformational mindsets" is code for guys that don't participate in inter-service warfare of the kind sparked recently by various RAF types musing out loud that the RAF would be better off with F-35A's.

If I remember correctly, one of those doing the musing is also one of those that has been passed over.


Who was that? It seemed that Atha was the main name, followed Osborne, although he was a Nav so that was unlikely :roll:. Maybe one will shift into CJO to wait for the next shot.

Great move for Fraser, hope he nails it and makes the next step up in a few years.

Considering the timelines involved with the F35 I doubt it had much if any impact on the decisions, there are much bigger issues closing in. Atha was a Harrier mate though.....

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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

Postby seaspear » 04 Dec 2018, 02:38

Continuing a discussion from the aircraft carrier thread that went into the F35 b or a Storm shadow has a 1000 lb warhead the a version of the f35b can carry internally a two thousand pound bomb stealthily

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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

Postby Scimitar54 » 04 Dec 2018, 04:25

Sounds a bit like you have been on the Woolarbra Wonga Mate!

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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

Postby SKB » 04 Dec 2018, 17:16

Exercise Point Blank

(Forces TV) 29 Nov 2018
Two of the RAF's F-35B Lightning stealth fighter jets have taken to the skies over the North Sea as part of Exercise Point Blank. Aircraft from the British, US and French Air Forces all scrambled together to practise what has been described as part of an "insurance policy" against global threats. The exact details of the scenario are classified but some of the aircraft were playing the enemy whilst the rest were trying to defeat them...

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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

Postby CameronPerson » 05 Dec 2018, 00:24

Ron5 wrote:There's been chatter about the appointments of the next heads of the RAF & RN. Surprising choices as more senior names were overlooked and explained by saying Williamson wants younger guys with transformational mindsets.

Just a passing thought but what if "transformational mindsets" is code for guys that don't participate in inter-service warfare of the kind sparked recently by various RAF types musing out loud that the RAF would be better off with F-35A's.

If I remember correctly, one of those doing the musing is also one of those that has been passed over.


Interestingly enough it was picked up by Jonathan Beale at the BBC that not only were they younger but they were all very much veteran “Whitehall Warriors” already at this stage in their career. As you say, maybe also evidence of an attempt to try and kirb those inter-service rivalries at the most senior levels

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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

Postby NickC » 07 Dec 2018, 10:44

Yesterday after more than 18 years in R&D the Pentagon F-35 Program Executive Officer Adm. Winter announced at long last they had 23 aircraft of suitable hardware/software standard (3F version 30R02) to officially start Initial Operational Test and Evaluation Phase, about 16 months later than the program predicted it would in the revised 2012 schedule.

Once IOT&E is finished in late 2019 or early 2020, expects the award of Milestone C, authorisation for full rate production decision.

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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

Postby ArmChairCivvy » 07 Dec 2018, 11:09

NickC wrote: at long last they had 23 aircraft of suitable hardware/software standard (3F version 30R02) to officially start Initial Operational Test and Evaluation Phase
[for the eventual] award of Milestone C, authorisation for full rate production decision.


I have been upsetting a lot techno-infantalists around Europe by trying to make them acknowledge this as a fact, and some of the accelerated IOC gymnastics as the necessary evil to get to the next stage... so that in the end there will be a product that is near to the spec that it was ordered with.

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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

Postby Caribbean » 09 Dec 2018, 22:52

The red tops are at it again

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-6476697/Coating-makes-RAFs-jets-invisible-enemy-radar-wearing-quicker-expected.html

Hi-tech coating which makes RAF's new £100million F-35 fighter jets 'invisible' to enemy radar is wearing off more quickly than expected
The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.
Winston Churchill

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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

Postby Little J » 09 Dec 2018, 23:37

Sunday Express had same article... Some times I think they share reporters :roll:

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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

Postby ArmChairCivvy » 10 Dec 2018, 06:49

Little J wrote:share reporters

Would be a good idea as 'defence' is a complex topic, and drawing on a pool (more broadly) might raise the standard.

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Re: F-35B Lightning (RAF & RN)

Postby Lord Jim » 11 Dec 2018, 04:00

I think it is more like they "Draw straws", in the office to see who is that day's defence editor.


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