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SW1 wrote: typhoon force will continue to be in a state of flux for a number of years as a/c are continually updated with new enhancements. Provided they get as many as possible to a common software standard things should be fine. Should the likes of [Spain Finland and] Germany order more typhoon it maybe a gd time to add a few extra to the UKs total to replace the earlier models.
SKB wrote:For the millionth time... Tempest isn't a plane. It's a future technologies team, called "Team Tempest". The plane is just a representational model and is almost certainly a reuse of the old BAE Replica model. There is no future plane called "Tempest".
SW1 wrote:The ucas on display is essentially the Dassault nEUROn. As for the manned Franco/German element there’s already arguments over workshare and leadership.
“Gens” are marketing terms. Sensors, airframe, weapons, data sharing, communications will represent the system that replaces current a/c.
You are of course assuming the mock-up presented at team tempest launch is what there using, a number of configurations have been wind tunnel tested. Define what you want the system to do the shape, size and performance will flow from that.
Frenchie wrote:If the Franco-German project is not successful we will be under American domination, the monopoly is not good for business, if our American friends are the only ones to manufacture combat aircraft and drones, they will set the price.
SW1 wrote:German heal dragging and unwillingness to fund any defence spending coupled with France wanting complete control of everything
Earlier this year, Turkey and Rolls-Royce came close to a strategic cooperation deal for the development and co-production of an engine for the TF-X. The British company and the Turkish government signed a letter of intent to finalize negotiations on the engine program by July 31, but the plan did not come to fruition.
Jensy wrote:does limit potential partner nations for project Tempest moving forward.
Wonder what led to this break
Jensy wrote:Well this probably reduces the likelihood of Turkish involvement in project Tempest, or at very least the powerplant:
https://www.defensenews.com/industry/2018/10/31/general-electric-beats-rolls-royce-to-power-turkeys-indigenous-fighter-jet/?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=Socialflow+DFN&utm_source=twitter.comEarlier this year, Turkey and Rolls-Royce came close to a strategic cooperation deal for the development and co-production of an engine for the TF-X. The British company and the Turkish government signed a letter of intent to finalize negotiations on the engine program by July 31, but the plan did not come to fruition.
Can't say I'm particularly distressed that we're not sharing advanced military technology with an increasingly rogue state, however it does limit potential partner nations for project Tempest moving forward.
Wonder what led to this break, or if GE made them an offer they couldn't refuse (seeing as most of their current fleet is dependent on them)?
I note that BAE remains involved in the airframe design.
Lord Jim wrote:Whilst I agree, the size of the programme will be too small with just Sweden and Italy on board. The requirements form these countries plus the UK could be as few as 200 or even less. This would mean the cost would still be too high and probably unaffordable if funded by the defence budgets of these three countries. Any future programme is going to be a numbers game with production totals needing to be more akin to Typhoon or Tornado to make it viable, we therefore need more partners with firm requirements. On the plus side the fact the Franco/German FCAS has to be carrier capable will make that programme even more expensive, so any UK led future manned (or unmanned) platform may appeal to more countries as long as its price is competitive to the next generation of US platforms.
dmereifield wrote:If that is the case, why is the Rafale cheaper than the Typhoon?
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