The national press here did the ccy conversion (err... trns and blns involved, too ) and got $4.4 bn as the Japanese defence budget being proposedRon5 wrote:about $40m
... so the above stands for 10% then
The national press here did the ccy conversion (err... trns and blns involved, too ) and got $4.4 bn as the Japanese defence budget being proposedRon5 wrote:about $40m
Anyone that knows anything about monopolies knows they start at 25% market share...Ron5 wrote:He's trying to weasel his way out of saying UK Fighter manufacturing is a Bae monopoly after he belatedly realized that the F-35 is a Lockheed Martin product.mr.fred wrote:Could you rewrite that? I don't understand what you are trying to say.Roders96 wrote:The F35 had a good start but they've tempest is going to cut its budget, the writing is on the wall.
LANCA which I think will be the next "fighter" acquired is unlikely to be Bae either.
In fairness the French don't really deserve to be lumped with those two.Ron5 wrote:The worst two international partners ever (honorable mention to India), together, just the two of them, on a highly visible, highly political and very expensive program.Jensy wrote:Meanwhile on the other side of La Manche...
What possibly could go wrong?
True, I misspokeRon5 wrote:Team Tempest is a lot more than just Bae.Defiance wrote:Team Tempest is a joint-BAE/MOD activity
Buying some more Typhoon isn't investing in it. They're 2 different things. The Germans actually had to give up a portion of their share of the Typhoon programme to compensate the UK when they cut their initial order. The possible orders that are being mentioned, under Quadriga and beyond, won't alter that share. It's done and dusted. So the German 'investment' consists of paying the UK money for the additional development that the UK undertook take the aircraft up to P3E standard so that the Germans can get access to that. Then they're going to spend money on Radar 0, which primarily comes back to the UK. And then they spend a load of money with Hensoldt developing Radar 1, which won't be bleeding edge and merely puts them on a par with France by that point. Meanwhile the UK from its more advanced state moves to Radar 2 which will then earn the bulk of export orders from the likes of Saudi and Qatar. The UK will also benefit more from the addition of new weapons to Typhoon which all hail from the UK side of MBDA. Same with the DASS upgrade and additions like BriteCloud.Jensy wrote:The irony that they are now investing more in Typhoon, just as the other partners lose interest isn't a coincidence, it was an opportunity to seize the reins of the programme, so they actually have something to offer their FCAS buddies and seek to take a fairly underserved role in development and manufacturing.
The talk was, and is, of using the advanced heat exchanger developed for Reaction Engines SABRE in future fighter engines. Not to create a ramjet, but to help to manage the thermal load. Even in that more limited role it would be a gamechanger.Jake1992 wrote:I thought I read back in Jan that RR were looking to develop a ramjet engine set up for Temepest or was that just pie in the sky talk from a press department ?
then it is easy to see the rationale for the below clauseTimmymagic wrote: P3E standard so that the Germans can get access to that. Then they're going to spend money on Radar 0, which primarily comes back to the UK. And then they spend a load of money with Hensoldt developing Radar 1, which won't be bleeding edge and merely puts them on a par with France by that point.
which must leave Dassault seething; having become the R&D Dept for German aerospace industryArmChairCivvy wrote:In exchange of funding the NGF, Germany requires the acquisition of every major technology developed under the FCAS by non-German industries.
I agree on this one France and Germany are a no go they make the project too politically difficult and unpalatable.inch wrote:I wouldn't let France , Germany join tempest ever ,no flipping way . possibly let Spain join tho ,but as they will never go against the EU big 2 it wouldn't happen ,it's all just spin and the journey anyway ,France and Germany will come together no matter what to make it happen because they can't afford not to have the euro offering for political reasons if nothing else.
LegoSW1 wrote:Or we could maybe just design the aircraft ourselves like other have very successfully and purchase/develop sub systems from other countries that we can use in a U.K. a/c and they can use on there a/c if they choice to build one. And if another country wants to buy it once built mores the better just design it so they can integrate whatever tech they want onto it.
Is it maybe for the JNAAM Anglo-Japanese advanced Meteor missile which pretty much seems to be a Meteor with a Japanese AESA seeker?Ron5 wrote:On another forum a million miles away, a Japanese speaker says that in the 2021 Japanese Defense budget there is a line item for a joint Japanese-UK project for wide area radar with a budget line of 4 billion yen (about $40m I think).
Any idea what this is and is it related to tempest?
Just posted on the MBDA thread the update on JNAAM from Janes. According to them its $11.4m for JNAAM so unless there is a multi year budget mentioned for it elsewhere, it doesnt appear to be for the same thing.Pseudo wrote:Is it maybe for the JNAAM Anglo-Japanese advanced Meteor missile which pretty much seems to be a Meteor with a Japanese AESA seeker
It's a continuous effort of the joint research on the "New RF sensor system" that started back in 2018. Looks like the feasibility study is successfully finished, and next year's requested budget is for building a full-scale radar prototype. It named "High-function radar" in Japanese. I'm sure Japan's next-generation fighter as well as Tempest will use this technology.Ron5 wrote:On another forum a million miles away, a Japanese speaker says that in the 2021 Japanese Defense budget there is a line item for a joint Japanese-UK project for wide area radar with a budget line of 4 billion yen (about $40m I think).
Any idea what this is and is it related to tempest?
It's just a better seeker head... how can it take so long?military wrote: $11 million for JNAAM seems like a trivial investment.
It is not the procurement cost, but the budget for prototyping of a single JNAAM to be used for actual launch test at the end of 2022.military wrote:For a basic comparison, I quickly found the total development budget for the US Small Diameter Bomb Increment II / StormBreaker. It is $2.1 billion in US dollars. In addition, the procurement cost is $3.3 billion. By comparison, $11 million for JNAAM seems like a trivial investment. I am not sure what is going on with the JNAAM programme. Maybe this prototype will just test airworthiness and the real development costs come later.
The image is just a place-holder.Ron5 wrote:Here's the picture that Jane's shows of the UK/Japanese Meteor. I was a little surprised it doesn't have the clipped wings of the F-35B variant. Or am I mistaken on that?
Never seen an image of the clipped wings variant. Don't think MBDA have ever released any images of it.Ron5 wrote:Here's the picture that Jane's shows of the UK/Japanese Meteor. I was a little surprised it doesn't have the clipped wings of the F-35B variant. Or am I mistaken on that?
Quite surprised by that figure. Thats a huge amount of money for the integration of a seeker that already exists (although it does involve some minituarisation and a new GaN array). The Meteor does have a smaller diameter of its missile body than AAM-4B, perhaps 'squeezing' it all in is where the cost is. Japanese military development programmes are well known for their high cost however.Ares wrote:It is not the procurement cost, but the budget for prototyping of a single JNAAM to be used for actual launch test at the end of 2022.
Japan MOD is assuming ¥12.5B($1.2B) for development only, excluding production costs.
It's not a surprise, but when you add up the cost to develop Brimstone and then Spear (which is reliant on Brimstone tech) you won't be far off the same value. It's one of the reasons that I'm always a little doubtful of weapons developed by other nations that come with extravagant claims but don't seem to have the development budget devoted to them to achieve those goals (especially testing..). Quite a few Israeli wonder weapons fall in that category..the ones that have pushed the boundaries tend to have taken decades to field and develop (Spike and Delilah), be based on work the US has already spent a bundle of cash on then abandoned or have had extensive US support in development, financing, partnering and testing (Iron Dome, Arrow).military wrote:For a basic comparison, I quickly found the total development budget for the US Small Diameter Bomb Increment II / StormBreaker. It is $2.1 billion in US dollars.