inch wrote:Italy would be better placed with a tie up with UK anyway than France and Germany , they get a lot more out of the partnership
Lord Jim wrote: Italy and the UK are in a pretty good position here because they still have workshare in both the Typhoon and F-35, though the formers value will drop unless further orders appear.
shark bait wrote:It's the best foundation tempest could hope for.
Italy's combat air is almost identical to the Brits, including the important carriers (unlike the French), and the Swedes have proven they can work with the Brits on the Grippen, and take a very pragmatic approach to balance cost and capability.
inch wrote:Looks like Japan pulling out of UK more than joining with
ArmChairCivvy wrote:Yes, the F-35 is a bridge and Germany will Haven - after all these decades of dragging their feet - 'make work' orders for Eurofighter, to be able to build/ maintain their bridge
- Dassault and Saab can neither 'go-it-alone' anymore, but their negotiating hand is not bad
Germany's halt in exports to Saudi Arabia is preventing Britain from completing the sale of 48 Eurofighter Typhoon warplanes to Riyadh[...]
Yes, for over 4000 jets...Gtal wrote:And the british workshare in the f35 is about 15% only.
They provided €65 million for the next 2 years. This amount is meaningless for such a large undertaking. In contrast, UK alone as provided £2 billion until 2025. Also, as far as capabilities go, only the UK has worked at the top level on the F35 programme and Italy also has provided a lot. I'm sure France, Germany and Spain have more work to develop next gen capabilities.Gtal wrote:Anyway Dassault and Airbus have already signed a first contract towards building a new franco-german combat aircraft. Spain tagged onto it as the 3rd Airbus partner so they have the money and capabilities necessary.
I'd be more comfortable with Italy on board than either Germany or France. Sweden has plenty of money and resources to be a partner.Gtal wrote:The question really is can the UK find the necessary partners for such a project?
Saab have shown what they can do with the Gripen, but they have somewhat limited battlefield exposure unlike France and Dassault for example, and let's be honest, Sweden does not provide the ressources or the money necessary to challenge the FCAS project.
Italy is teetering on the edge of serious financial trouble and is politically unstable, not exactly an ideal partner.
UK and Japan already signed a defence agreement on close cooperation. UK RAF and marines have been training in Japan - only country outside the US to do so.Gtal wrote:No way Japan is joining the UK for anything in the near future either.
I don't see what the timeframe of the next 6 weeks has to do with the success of the Tempest programme. What does the next 6 weeks have to produce exactly?Gtal wrote:Hell, the UK itself is unstable in a way and unless something happens in the next 6 weeks I really don't see how anything is supposed come from Tempest.
Sorry to put it that blunt but am I wrong?
Defiance wrote:Don't let the door hit your arse on the way out, sweetheart x
EDIT: Haha, so much German salt. You're a wee bit precious aren't you?
Gtal wrote:I have english and german citizenship and have lived in both countries. But the UK really broke my heart in the recent past. I dont know what happened and all my UK family and friends are just as heartbroken. They just don't have the easy option to relocate..
I work in the defence industry.
Yes: the word anymore. That translates to 'accent on the future' as 'today' is a fleeting momentGtal wrote:am I missing something
Wouldn't it be nice to find out?Gtal wrote:What exactly is the money for? Random RnD?
Jensy wrote:Remember that it was Merkel who sank the BAE Airbus merger back in 2012 for purely nationalistic reasons. Had that gone ahead, there would be no need for two European fighter programmes, as the companies would already be in synergy and have the scale
Meriv9 wrote:paying for: a french nuclear strike able fighter, carrier based and thus designed for force projection?
Will they pay willingly for a two generation step? 4th to 6th?
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