Lord Jim wrote:the systems that result from Tempest will shape the next aircraft[...] as well as improving the Typhoon
SW1 wrote: going fwd really will be [to] follow the German lead and have a heavily modified typhoon or develop a manned platform out of tempest or buy more f35. Personally I see f35 numbers not getting above 52. So it will be one of the first two options.
SW1 wrote:IMO existing/new weapons(Uav wing men) and sensor pods development, integration and support to the existing fleet are more important than an investment in a new manned platform. The priority of a new manned aircraft is more an industrial skill protection than a necessity.
RetroSicotte wrote:SW1 wrote:IMO existing/new weapons(Uav wing men) and sensor pods development, integration and support to the existing fleet are more important than an investment in a new manned platform. The priority of a new manned aircraft is more an industrial skill protection than a necessity.
That sounds a lot like resting on one's laurels to me, "preparing for peace" and no allowance for what else may occur.
It takes too long to "respond" these days. You end up a decade behind if caught in that. The UK is at the forefront of air superiority against its peers right now with Typhoon and F-35, retaining that lead is critical. If the UK doesn't do it, then they will. SU-57 may not exactly be the wonder weapon they say it is, but it's still a hefty advance that the UK must keep ahead of.
SW1 wrote: Typhoon came about because of the fielding of the SU27 and it’s ability to escort Russian bombers all the way to launch against the UK. It will remain capable of this for the foreseeable.
Are we returning to the strategic interdictor role? It’s what tornado was designed for, delivery of tactical nuclear weapons to targets in Russia and the JP233 runs against airfields.
SKB wrote:Once again, there is no future fighter plane called Tempest being developed. Its a future technologies partnership called Team Tempest. That's all.
* sigh *
SD67 wrote:SKB wrote:Once again, there is no future fighter plane called Tempest being developed. Its a future technologies partnership called Team Tempest. That's all.* sigh * According to the RAF’s website Tempest will “join the fleet in 2035 and replace the capabilities provided by Typhoon”According to Leonardo it’s “developing a future combat air system for the 2040s”According to the MOD contracts page over 300 SMEs have been invited to a Tempest industry day to participate in delivery of the next generation air combat capabilityA bit big for a research project ....
I did range safety for EAP the aircraft had better capability's that were traded away in production Typhoon. Hopefully we will not repeat that with Tempest. The air to ground tests done on EAP were not transferred to the production airframes. But the airframe was capable of later modification due to the original ground attack requirement.serge750 wrote:Isn't the Team tempest project in the same vain as the EAP was to typhoon?
If they follow the EAP path we may see modified Typhoon test bed. There was a modified Jaguar (a.c.t.d.) that was modified to be unstable in flight. This proved the concept prior to the full technology test aircraft. Equipment testing on civil airframes modified will quietly test systems and avionics prior to there integration into the demonstration aircraft. Taranis test information will provide knowledge for unmanned requirement.SW1 wrote:EAP was built to test technology that was primarily new in particular its fly by wire system for statically unstable aircraft.
Lord Jim wrote:I agree with the number of F-35B likely to be purchase, with the Marham wing being the only operator. Any further purchase would be in direct completion with any UK led Consortium's next generation aircraft programme.
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