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Re: Boeing Chinook (RAF)

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Re: Boeing Chinook (RAF)

Postby ArmChairCivvy » 01 Jan 2017, 17:23

marktigger wrote:i wonder what the next evolution for the chinook will be?


50% more engine power... I think this might enter the competition for replacing German heavy helo fleet

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Re: Boeing Chinook (RAF)

Postby marktigger » 02 Jan 2017, 08:25

i suspect strongly the last chinook pilot hasn't been born yet

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Re: Boeing Chinook (RAF)

Postby Ianmb17 » 06 Jan 2017, 08:31

Plans for chinook to fly till its 100

http://www.scout.com/military/warrior/s ... -100-years

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Re: Boeing Chinook (RAF)

Postby SKB » 16 May 2017, 20:31

The Chinook is a fast heavy-lift helicopter. Could it be adapted into an air-to-air F-35B refuel tanker role based aboard the QEC?

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Re: Boeing Chinook (RAF)

Postby Smokey » 16 May 2017, 20:54

SKB wrote:The Chinook is a fast heavy-lift helicopter. Could it be adapted into an air-to-air F-35B refuel tanker role based aboard the QEC?


Best method for a Chinook to refuel an F35 would be at a FARP using Air Portable Fuel Containers.
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Re: Boeing Chinook (RAF)

Postby shark bait » 16 May 2017, 21:06

Its not fast enough.

Even if it was when loaded with 10 tonnes of fuel its range is tiny.
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Re: Boeing Chinook (RAF)

Postby Tinman » 18 May 2017, 13:51

shark bait wrote:Its not fast enough.

Even if it was when loaded with 10 tonnes of fuel its range is tiny.


It's faster than apache, many times when on a MERT mission we left those behind.

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Re: Boeing Chinook (RAF)

Postby MRCA » 18 May 2017, 21:02

Yes chinook would be fine as a tanker a/c if you wish the receiving aircraft to consume fuel faster than it is receiving it. This idea and a v22 tanker are self licking lollipops of no strategic use what so ever.

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Re: Boeing Chinook (RAF)

Postby ArmChairCivvy » 19 May 2017, 09:12

MRCA wrote:Yes chinook would be fine as a tanker a/c if you wish the receiving aircraft to consume fuel faster than it is receiving it. This idea and a v22 tanker are self licking lollipops of no strategic use what so ever.


You are right, except for two circumstances:
- several F-35s come back to the carrier "on their last legs" and retrieving all (rather than ditching some) requires a top up (locally)
- a strike package is launched, and to maximise weapon load each plane is topped up for fuel after take-off

Osprey and Chinook speed envelopes are of course quite different (ref: SB's comment on Chinook speed)

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Re: Boeing Chinook (RAF)

Postby MRCA » 19 May 2017, 09:49

It's a big deck you can land probably as many as 6 at once. there will be plenty of space we have few a/c to deploy.

As for topping up after takeoff it will be operationally insignificant. The min fuel offload that would make a difference would be something like the offload from an a400

These ships do not and will not be able to operate without recourse to land based support.

Well aware of the different operating profiles but the point remains both are pointless as a tanker

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Re: Boeing Chinook (RAF)

Postby Dahedd » 19 May 2017, 13:33

A bit Ot but i've got the answer to the tanker issue.

After watching the highly accurate & factually correct film "Stealth" I reckon we should use the Airlander airship. A hovering petrol station. If it works for Jamie Foxx it'll work for the F35b :lol:

Pretty daft idea but just imagine how amazing it'd be if it was actually feasible.

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Re: Boeing Chinook (RAF)

Postby rhodes76 » 19 May 2017, 22:20

yeah just tow the airship attached to one of the ships in the task group

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Re: Boeing Chinook (RAF)

Postby Pseudo » 20 May 2017, 13:03

rhodes76 wrote:yeah just tow the airship attached to one of the ships in the task group

You could attach it to a tanker and run a fuel cable up along the attaching cable for constant fuel replenishment. :)

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Re: Boeing Chinook (RAF)

Postby ArmChairCivvy » 20 May 2017, 16:18

Pseudo wrote:
rhodes76 wrote:yeah just tow the airship attached to one of the ships in the task group

You could attach it to a tanker and run a fuel cable up along the attaching cable for constant fuel replenishment. :)


Then a gust of wind won't rip the poor "client" out of water :D

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Re: Boeing Chinook (RAF)

Postby Aethulwulf » 28 Jul 2017, 14:06

It has been reported in Jane's that the UK is going to upgrade the 38 HC4 Chinooks to a new HC6A standard. This will involve fitting the Digital Automatic Flight Control System.

I have seen the DAFCS in action as it is already fitted to the 14 HC6 chinooks - very impressive sight of a Chinook hovering in a rock steady position for what seems like hours.

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Re: Boeing Chinook (RAF)

Postby Gabriele » 28 Jul 2017, 14:13

Jane's comes to the news a bit late. The contract was signed in december 2014 and DAFCS retrofit was inglobated in the wider JULIUS retrofit to the HC3, now HC5.
The HC2 and 2As had already moved through factory for the JULIUS upgrade (to HC4), so they are only going back now that the HC5 is done. Work has been ongoing for a while, and the delivery of the first HC6A is expected this summer. It might have actually already taken place, i don't know.
By the end of next year, all should be done.
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Re: Boeing Chinook (RAF)

Postby ArmChairCivvy » 28 Jul 2017, 14:44

Aethulwulf wrote:hovering in a rock steady position for what seems like hours.


We all remember the photo from A-stan where the open tail ramp is touching the rock and the whole platoon pouring out - did they not trust the pilot's ability to hold it as they were in such a hurry?

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Re: Boeing Chinook (RAF)

Postby The Armchair Soldier » 05 Mar 2018, 12:21

Chinook to fly supplies to cut-off Cumbrian communities
The RAF has been called in to fly food and supplies to areas in Cumbria cut off by huge snow drifts.

Cumbria County Council said a Chinook helicopter would be flying aid to snowed-in communities in Fellside, South Stainmore and Alston.

Supplies include food, coal, logs and electrical heating appliances.
Read More: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-cumbria-43285331

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Re: Boeing Chinook (RAF)

Postby Poiuytrewq » 23 Mar 2018, 11:11

Is it possible to fold the blades of RAF chinooks?

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Re: Boeing Chinook (RAF)

Postby shark bait » 23 Mar 2018, 12:01

nope, can undo some bolts and bunch the blades up, but its not a real folding solution.
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Re: Boeing Chinook (RAF)

Postby SKB » 23 Mar 2018, 12:48

The Boeing CH-47 Chinook when designed as a US Army helicopter was not envisaged to be operated off aircraft carriers, so folding blades were overlooked. The Boeing CH-46 Sea Knight was designed for the USMC/USN and does have folding blades.

The Sea Knight is smaller, narrower and has a tricycle landing gear arrangement with the rear two gear in external sponsons. The Sea Knight has half the engine power of a Chinook. They are completely different helicopter designs with their only similarity being the tandem rotor configuration.


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Re: Boeing Chinook (RAF)

Postby Poiuytrewq » 24 Mar 2018, 20:16

Thanks, I was trying to find out if the Chinook was available in a marinised version but it appears not.

Can't imagine all that salty sea air when deployed on the Carriers will do the airframes much good.

It appears from I've read that the troop carrying capacity for both the Merlin and Chinook is similar, would anyone be able to confirm that one way or the other?

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Re: Boeing Chinook (RAF)

Postby Gabriele » 24 Mar 2018, 20:50

Definitely no. Chinook Will easily carry twice the number of soldiers.
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Re: Boeing Chinook (RAF)

Postby Lord Jim » 24 Mar 2018, 23:58

Though the UK has plans to operate the Chinook from RN platforms, the default platform for ship to shore operation is the Merlin. Part of the modernisation of the Merlins when they were transferred to the FAA, was treatment to protect them for Salt etc. Operations Chinooks in this role is a capability we will use only in certain circumstances, more likely being to simply being transported into theatre.


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