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Boeing P-8A Poseidon (MRA Mk.1) (RAF)

Postby SKB » 23 Nov 2015, 16:27

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^ RAF Poseidon MRA Mk.1 (Artists impression)

Introduction
The Boeing P-8 Poseidon (formerly the Multimission Maritime Aircraft or MMA) is a military aircraft developed for the United States Navy. The aircraft has been developed by Boeing Defence, Space & Security, modified from the 737-800ERX.

The P-8 conducts anti-submarine warfare (ASW), anti-surface warfare (ASUW), and shipping interdiction, along with an electronic signals intelligence (ELINT) role. This involves carrying torpedoes, depth charges, Harpoon anti-ship missiles, and other weapons. It is able to drop and monitor sonobuoys. It is designed to operate in conjunction with the Northrop Grumman MQ-4C Triton Broad Area Maritime Surveillance unmanned aerial vehicle. The aircraft has been ordered by the Indian Navy as the P-8I Neptune, Royal Australian Air Force, and Royal Air Force.

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In August 2012, it was reported that Boeing saw the United Kingdom as a market for the P-8, following the cancellation of Nimrod MRA4. On 23rd November 2015, the UK announced its intention to order nine P-8 aircraft as part of the Strategic Defence and Security Review 2015. The aircraft are to be based at RAF Lossiemouth, Scotland and be used to protect the UK's nuclear deterrent and new aircraft carriers. The P-8s are also to perform search-and-rescue missions and conduct overland reconnaissance. Deliveries of the P-8s are to begin before 2020.

On 25 March 2016, the U.S. State Department approved a proposed Foreign Military Sale to the UK for up to nine P-8 aircraft and associated support, at an estimated cost of $3.2 billion. The Royal Air Force plans to operate the P-8 with U.S. weapons initially, and possibly transition to British weapons later. It is unclear whether the UK will have access to future ground-surveillance capabilities being developed for the P-8.

On 11 July 2016, Boeing announced that they had signed a procurement contract with the Royal Air Force to supply nine P-8 aircraft and associated support infrastructure at a cost of $3.87 billion (£3 billion). Manufacture will be spread across three production lots over a ten year period, with deliveries commencing in 2019. Its RAF designation will be the Poseidon MRA Mk.1.


Specifications (USN)
Crew: Flight: two; Mission: seven
Length: 129 ft 5 in (39.47 m)
Wingspan: 123 ft 6 in (37.64 m)
Height: 42 ft 1 in (12.83 m)
Empty weight: 138,300 lb (62,730 kg)
Useful load: 19,800+ lb (9,000+ kg)
Max. takeoff weight: 189,200 lb (85,820 kg)
Powerplant: 2 × CFM56-7B turbofan, 27,000 lbf (120 kN) each
Maximum speed: 490 knots (907 km/h, 564 mph)
Cruise speed: 440 kn (815 km/h, 509 mph)
Combat radius: 1,200 nmi (2,222 km) ; 4 hours on station (for anti-submarine warfare mission)
Ferry range: over 4,000 nautical miles (7,500 km)
Service ceiling: 41,000 ft (12,496 m)
Armanent: 5 internal and 6 external stations for AGM-84H/K SLAM-ER, AGM-84 Harpoon, Mark 54 torpedo, missiles, mines, torpedoes, bombs, and a High Altitude Anti-Submarine Warfare Weapon system.
Avionics: Raytheon APY-10 multi-mission surface search radar (Advanced Airborne Sensor surface search radar and SIGINT package to be follow on system)

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Re: Boeing P-8A Poseidon (Future Maritime Patrol Aircraft) (RAF)

Postby SKB » 23 Nov 2015, 16:28

P-8 at Farnborough

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Re: Boeing P-8 Poseidon (RAF)

Postby shark bait » 23 Nov 2015, 16:30

Great choice.
Very suprised they have gone straight for this, rather than pissing around with a competition, when they know full well the only thing they want is a P8

Also finally put the old MPA thread to bed :D :D
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Re: Boeing P-8 Poseidon (Maritime Patrol Aircraft) (RAF)

Postby xav » 23 Nov 2015, 16:44

P-8A at Dubai Airshow 2015


What about torpedo ? UK will procure Mk 54 or will pay for Stingray integration ?
What about Harpoon (UK doesn't have AGM-84 anymore) ?
And just like Nimrod, they'll be flown by the RAF ?

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Re: Boeing P-8A Poseidon (Future Maritime Patrol Aircraft) (RAF)

Postby arfah » 23 Nov 2015, 16:45

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Why this forum is pish!

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Re: Boeing P-8 Poseidon (Maritime Patrol Aircraft) (RAF)

Postby lordroel » 23 Nov 2015, 16:46

What does by the end of the parliament' mean for sombody not living in the UK.

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Re: Boeing P-8 Poseidon (Maritime Patrol Aircraft) (RAF)

Postby OevetS » 23 Nov 2015, 16:49

means in 5 years time!!!

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Re: Boeing P-8 Poseidon (Maritime Patrol Aircraft) (RAF)

Postby Foxbat » 23 Nov 2015, 16:51

xav wrote:What about Harpoon (UK doesn't have AGM-84 anymore) ?


Presumably jump straight to LRASM as surely at some stage the USN is going to integrate it onto their P-8s?

lordroel wrote:What does by the end of the parliament' mean for sombody not living in the UK.


Basically it means before the next election in 2020.

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Re: Boeing P-8 Poseidon (Maritime Patrol Aircraft) (RAF)

Postby bobp » 23 Nov 2015, 17:07

The PM said we will have at least three in service by the end of Parliament, remembering Jimthelads words again. Once more proved to be correct.

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Re: Boeing P-8 Poseidon (Maritime Patrol Aircraft) (RAF)

Postby The Armchair Soldier » 23 Nov 2015, 17:17

A tweet from Boeing.

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Re: Boeing P-8 Poseidon (Maritime Patrol Aircraft) (RAF)

Postby RichardIC » 23 Nov 2015, 17:45

I didn't manage to say it before the future MPA thread was locked. But well done Jim. I suspect it was a close run thing but in the end they had the sense to stick with "the plan".

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Re: Boeing P-8 Poseidon (Maritime Patrol Aircraft) (RAF)

Postby downsizer » 23 Nov 2015, 18:52

We'll see them here pretty pronto.

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Re: Boeing P-8A Poseidon (Future Maritime Patrol Aircraft) (RAF)

Postby arfah » 23 Nov 2015, 19:39

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Re: Boeing P-8 Poseidon (Maritime Patrol Aircraft) (RAF)

Postby SKB » 23 Nov 2015, 19:43

"Three before the end of this Parliament.", meaning three before the 2020 General Election. The other six to follow afterwards.

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Re: Boeing P-8A Poseidon (Future Maritime Patrol Aircraft) (RAF)

Postby arfah » 23 Nov 2015, 19:46

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Re: Boeing P-8 Poseidon (Maritime Patrol Aircraft) (RAF)

Postby SKB » 23 Nov 2015, 19:48

No. I didn't. :lol:

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Re: Boeing P-8 Poseidon (Maritime Patrol Aircraft) (RAF)

Postby Jdam » 23 Nov 2015, 19:55

Any mention if it will be the standard P-8 or will it be like India's P-8, I remember Jim saying the Sting Ray was test fitted to it so I assume the P-8 will be able use it.


Also what does it mean by "overland surveillance capability" for the P-8 in the SDR?

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Re: Boeing P-8A Poseidon (Future Maritime Patrol Aircraft) (RAF)

Postby arfah » 23 Nov 2015, 20:01

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Re: Boeing P-8 Poseidon (Maritime Patrol Aircraft) (RAF)

Postby Digger22 » 23 Nov 2015, 20:17

Nothing against the P8 or indeed Uncle Sam, but too many US types folks!.

A long time ago in a Galaxy far far away...There used to be this Country that led the way in the Aerospace industry.....

get the irony!.

Please, no lectures.

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Re: Boeing P-8 Poseidon (Maritime Patrol Aircraft) (RAF)

Postby shark bait » 23 Nov 2015, 20:24

Digger22 wrote:Nothing against the P8 or indeed Uncle Sam, but too many US types folks!.

A long time ago in a Galaxy far far away...There used to be this Country that led the way in the Aerospace industry.....

get the irony!.

Please, no lectures.


We do still have the second biggest aerospace industry after the Americans.
Whilst in most situations I would champion a UK solution, in this instance it just doesn't make sense. The Nimrod was fucked, and we don't have the time to start again.
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Re: Boeing P-8A Poseidon (Future Maritime Patrol Aircraft) (RAF)

Postby arfah » 23 Nov 2015, 20:29

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Why this forum is pish!

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2: Too many fantasists ruining dedicated equipment threads with notions of what gun/mortar/artillery/missiles the equipment should have because it makes their panties moist.

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Re: Boeing P-8 Poseidon (Maritime Patrol Aircraft) (RAF)

Postby jimthelad » 23 Nov 2015, 20:42

I think my deer stalker is safe from a heathy dose of ketchup. It seems the C130 reverssion was done at the last minute due to boss SF having a meltdown at the last C'sDS meeting.

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Re: Boeing P-8 Poseidon (Maritime Patrol Aircraft) (RAF)

Postby Ron5 » 23 Nov 2015, 20:55

arfah wrote:There's plenty of UK equipment in the P8.

Additionally, the aircrew drink Yorkshire tea and the biscuits they dunk with are Scottish highland shortbread bought from the NAAFI.

Admittedly, the magic tree air freshener in the toilet is made in China.


According to Boeing, 3 mill's worth or a couple of percent by value. kinda tiny. Maybe just the drapes & carpet :-)

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Re: Boeing P-8 Poseidon (Maritime Patrol Aircraft) (RAF)

Postby Dave » 23 Nov 2015, 21:16

arfah wrote:There's plenty of UK equipment in the P8.

Additionally, the aircrew drink Yorkshire tea and the biscuits they dunk with are Scottish highland shortbread bought from the NAAFI.


What about the Taylor's coffee and Jaffa cakes? Or is that purely army? ;)

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Re: Boeing P-8 Poseidon (Maritime Patrol Aircraft) (RAF)

Postby SKB » 23 Nov 2015, 21:19

Can a BV (boiler vessel) to fitted to the P-8 for tea making?! ;)


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