Re: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)
Posted: 17 Jan 2019, 08:41
I beg your pardon? :pLord Jim wrote:The Swedish Air Force received its first RBS-15F missile in 1887
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I beg your pardon? :pLord Jim wrote:The Swedish Air Force received its first RBS-15F missile in 1887
Norways F35A's can only carry three JSM? JSM can easily be carried on the external pylons giving four, even on the B. In the case of the 'A' I believe it can also carry two internally for a total of six.ArmChairCivvy wrote:Lord Jim wrote: - the new Gripen, thanks to the modified development path I mentioned before the quote, despite being at the smaller end in size (amongst modern fighter a/c) will be able to carry 4, easily beating the 3 JSMs carried by Norway's F-35s... Norway had the unique requirement for range, to be able to defend the Norway-Spitzbergen (Svalbard) gap, and that eliminated Gripen simply due to its size (fuel/ range) despite unequalled anti-shipping fire
Yeeep. Missile strike against ( Soviet ) maritime targets was one of the most important roles of Swedish Air Force during the Cold War.Lord Jim wrote: Now whether the Swedish Air Force decided in the 1990s that the threat from the Soviet Baltic Fleet had gone away and so they no linger the train with the weapon I do not know, but they still have them in storage and as I mentioned above are looking at introducing an improved version in a few years time.
Harpoon was mentioned as one of the weapons the RAF would be getting with P-8, alongside Mk.54.Lord Jim wrote:yone think the RAF with reintroduce Maritime Strike with anything other than possibly the P-8? Is there any chance that whatever weapon is chosen to replace the Harpoon could be integrated on to the Typhoon?
I'm sorry, I know this is now off-topic and should be on the P-8 thread. However my understanding was the RAF P8s would be fully equipped for Harpoon, ('cause they're identical to US Navy aircraft) but the UK had not committed to a purchase.Timmymagic wrote:Harpoon was mentioned as one of the weapons the RAF would be getting with P-8, alongside Mk.54.
Yeah, will not be Harpoon in those congested waters... who wants "the Iranian airliner shot down, again" scenario, just because at the time the Tomcat and that airliner taking off fro the same runway were merged into one and the same 'target' that then flew straight towards the shipTimmymagic wrote: Zero chance of integration with Typhoon however, unless one of the Gulf countries pays for it, which Kuwait is doing with Marte-ER. Oman and Saudi seem disinterested, but it will be interesting if Qatar bites....I suspect that would be for Marte or JSM as they like new shiny things..
and anybody wondered why they were the lead nation for the sale to Kuwait (bcz Marte was part of the rqrmnt spec)Timmymagic wrote:Italy would go with Marte-ER to support Italian industry
Yep, we prefer JIT for any weapons (just put the wiring in, so you can load them on, as soon as the "pizza-express delivery" USAF C-17 will have landedRichardIC wrote:understanding was the RAF P8s would be fully equipped for Harpoon, ('cause they're identical to US Navy aircraft) but the UK had not committed to a purchase.
WW2 slang - crate = aircraft (usually applied to bombers etc)topman wrote:A few crates?
I think he means crates of ASM's generously loaned from our ever accommodating friends in the states..topman wrote:w crates?
I worry when someone tries explain how a top flight airdefence ship, operating inside a foreign nation's territorial water, engaged one of their airliner's on a standard flight path and schedule. If any "enemy" or " rogue" country did that there would be no such understanding!ArmChairCivvy wrote:Yeah, will not be Harpoon in those congested waters... who wants "the Iranian airliner shot down, again" scenario, just because at the time the Tomcat and that airliner taking off fro the same runway were merged into one and the same 'target' that then flew straight towards the ship
- Harpoon is not v good at filtering & selecting targets
little use training to use a weapon that you have no plans to buy.Lord Jim wrote:Another related question, do typhoon (and soon F-35) Pilot train from Maritime Strike either in the air or in the simulators? It would be all well and good for a few crates to suddenly turn up when things go south (or north), but you have to have the skill sets to use them.
Amidst all the loss of capability over the years thats one thing we forget, is there any martitime strike experience left in the RAF (or FAA for that matter)? It was build up over years with Buccaneer, then Tornado, but has been gone a very, very long time.topman wrote:ttle use training to use a weapon that you have no plans to buy.
True, but sinking ships seems to be the tertiary capability of RN ships, too (would put it one further down, after ASW, AAW and projecting onto land... but my Latin runs short at that point).Timmymagic wrote: has been gone a very, very long time.
Exactly, do we train for pop-up attacks, do the radars have the modes necessary on Typhoon, let alone do we have the weaponry, tactics, planning and co-ordination. I suspect its all been lost.Lord Jim wrote:Do we still train to get right down in the weeds so to speak or is that another skill set our pilots have lost? Staying under the radar horizon was always key to Anti-ship operations, especially now most Russian (and Chinese) vessels are basically mobile double digit SAM batteries, with the naval equivalent of the S-300 or S-4
I don't think so, considering last Sea Eagle missiles were retired when? 20+ years ago? Because, as the topman said, why train to use a weapon that you have no plans to buy/operate?Timmymagic wrote:Amidst all the loss of capability over the years thats one thing we forget, is there any martitime strike experience left in the RAF (or FAA for that matter)? It was build up over years with Buccaneer, then Tornado, but has been gone a very, very long time.topman wrote:ttle use training to use a weapon that you have no plans to buy.
- where is the 7th? Is this the night shift already writing?abc123 wrote:6 Astutes will solve all and any possible surface targets, anywhere in the world, 367 days a year