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Re: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)

Postby indeid » 29 Apr 2018, 07:33

Tinman wrote:
indeid wrote:
RetroSicotte wrote:I find it remarkable that a bit of inter-force banter about a name gets taken so seriously by some. Chill out, poking fun is a forces tradition, after all.


Only one person is taking it seriously!

Apparently even daring to utter the word ‘Pathfinder’ (ssssh) is enough to be on the receiving end of a kicking from the Red Devil’s. Twice if you happen to be ‘crab air’.

They have reserved the word don’t you know.

Maybe it’s trademarked?

Banter would be adding a comment about the RAF vs Army rugby result yesterday :thumbup:


Being someone who has worked extensively with the Parachute Regiment, as a crab qualified military parachutist. I find them the most humble of bloke, keen as mustard to learn and very respectful if you have experience in what you are instructing, passed a similar course and have provided FP on MERT.

You’ll find most of the “banter” is from the ardent Cold War warriors who many have been to Ireland, and that’s it.


You don’t even need the badge to be honest, I’ve done a tour in the Bde HQ and another on an attached unit and both times found them extremely welcoming.

I’ve been lucky enough to do quite a few exchange tours, not sure I’d suit the USMC haircut anymore though......

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Re: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)

Postby jimthelad » 29 Apr 2018, 10:18

To defuse any tensions- the comment was made in jest. My great uncle was a pathfinder in Mosquitos- he used to wind me up as being retarded ordinance :lolno:

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Re: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)

Postby SKB » 01 May 2018, 14:21


(Forces TV)
The Typhoon is the RAF’s frontline jet with pilots flying missions over Iraq and Syria. The fighter jet is now being enhanced to attack targets on the ground with Brimstone missiles.

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Re: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)

Postby seaspear » 01 May 2018, 21:30

Was there any consideration that the Eurofighter,s replacing the Tornado be equipped with conformal tanks for increased range ?

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Re: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)

Postby Little J » 02 May 2018, 00:52

SKB wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0qVfxZVcYI
(Forces TV)
The Typhoon is the RAF’s frontline jet with pilots flying missions over Iraq and Syria. The fighter jet is now being enhanced to attack targets on the ground with Brimstone missiles.


Watching that I was left with one thought... That reporter needs a no-no :silent:

Sorry :shifty:

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Re: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)

Postby Gabriele » 02 May 2018, 09:41

Was there any consideration that the Eurofighter,s replacing the Tornado be equipped with conformal tanks for increased range ?


There was, and all 44 Tranche 3 have the little bumps on the back which are the connections for said CFTs. But for now CFTs haven't progressed beyond that point.
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Re: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)

Postby andrew98 » 02 May 2018, 11:15

Would be nice to see the aircraft fully developed CFT, AESA radar, Aerodynamic Modification Kit (LERX and strakes) and EJ230 with thrust vectoring applied, would cost a bloody fortune though.

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Re: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)

Postby Lord Jim » 02 May 2018, 11:20

I suppose it depends on how long the RAF actually wants to keep the Typhoon in service and if the Germans and any export customers decide to further enhance the platform and fund the work.

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Re: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)

Postby andrew98 » 02 May 2018, 11:28

Loaded with long range weaponry such as storm shadow and meteor, why can't it act as a bomb truck for clean f35's for many years to come?
As a QRA aircraft surely it will remain effective for years?
Surely CFT's would even just be worth it for both QRA and training flights as it lowers the demand on aerial refuelling? And if they lower drag in comparison to underwing tanks would reduce fuel costs?

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Re: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)

Postby RetroSicotte » 02 May 2018, 13:06

The real worth of CFT is Storm Shadow. Currently the Typhoon can only mount a single tank when carrying a pair of SS. A tank that overrides the only Targeting Pod hardpoint too. Granted, pods are not exactly a SS fit, but it's just one of those little niggles of restriction that greatly demonstrates the worth of CFTs. It would increase SS reach by a considerable margin.

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Re: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)

Postby topman » 02 May 2018, 17:57

andrew98 wrote:Surely CFT's would even just be worth it for both QRA and training flights as it lowers the demand on aerial refuelling? And if they lower drag in comparison to underwing tanks would reduce fuel costs?


It depends on how much the total cost of them are plus support and then of course how many would we buy? Then there's the RTS and all the trials to work through. All that is expensive, I doubt that total costs of the whole thing have been worked out. The costs are just an estimate.

As to lower costs, it'll only be done if you can get rid on a reasonable basis tanker support frequently. I don't think anyone will stump up the cash in this climate if it's a case of cutting out a tanker bracket. You still need them so you are saving fairly marginal costs against a capital investment.

That's not to say they are of no use, aircraft especially US types have them and do make use of then. They are just not seen as a priority under the vfm microscope.

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Re: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)

Postby Ron5 » 02 May 2018, 19:29

RAF honcho was quoted on CFT's as the RAF not interested. Can't jettison them and the UK has spent umpty billions on inflight refueling so why solve the same problem twice?

Kinda surprised to hear the RAF Typhoons are piped for them. Is that fact or conjecture?

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Re: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)

Postby topman » 02 May 2018, 19:46

You can see the mounting points on them if you look at pictures of tranche 3s

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Re: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)

Postby downsizer » 02 May 2018, 20:07

Ron5 wrote:Kinda surprised to hear the RAF Typhoons are piped for them. Is that fact or conjecture?


Fact.

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Re: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)

Postby Ron5 » 03 May 2018, 00:10

Thanks. I guess there's spare cash still left after all.

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Re: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)

Postby Little J » 03 May 2018, 06:18

I believe that all tranche 3's are plumbed as standard.

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Re: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)

Postby seaspear » 05 May 2018, 07:28

Tranche 2 is also capable of being adapted for conformal tanks if required , the cft is reported to increase combat radius by 25 percent

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Re: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)

Postby ArmChairCivvy » 05 May 2018, 08:13

seaspear wrote:the cft is reported to increase combat radius by 25 percent


I wonder what the net effect is: increased drag from the ss vs. increased fuel load (with not too much drag, compared to a drop tank arrangement)?

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Re: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)

Postby Cooper » 06 May 2018, 08:55

CFT's are nothing more than a last ditch remedy for a country desperate to delay purchasing new aircraft, they're a way of kidding yourself that your 40yr old fleet of F15's, F16's & F18's can still be relevant for another 40.

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Postby ArmChairCivvy » 06 May 2018, 09:05

Cooper wrote:a way of kidding yourself that your 40yr old fleet of F15's, F16's & F18's can still be relevant for another 40


If you believed that for the first 40 years, then our (zero :shh: ) investment has produced a good yield.

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Re: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)

Postby Little J » 06 May 2018, 12:29

Cooper wrote:CFT's are nothing more than a last ditch remedy for a country desperate to delay purchasing new aircraft, they're a way of kidding yourself that your 40yr old fleet of F15's, F16's & F18's can still be relevant for another 40.

Just finished work, so I'm feeling dumber than usual.
But that makes no sense to me :oops:

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Re: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)

Postby abc123 » 09 May 2018, 22:22

A question- Tranche 1 airplanes, they can use just air-air weapons, like ASRAAM or AMRAAM? And maybe drop dumb bombs, right?

Could they get some sort of austere air to ground capability, like integration of Litening and Paveway- do they have some obstacles from technical standpoint? And would that be too expencive?
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Re: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)

Postby Lord Jim » 09 May 2018, 22:47

Given the Tranche 1 Typhoons are only being retained as a stop gap until the F-35 is available in greater numbers, keeping it as a Air Defence platform is the simplest and cheapest option when every penny counts. The future seems to be four or five Tranche 3 standard Typhoon squadrons working with three to four F-35B Squadrons as the future strength of the RAF's fast jet force.

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Re: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)

Postby abc123 » 10 May 2018, 06:12

Lord Jim wrote:Given the Tranche 1 Typhoons are only being retained as a stop gap until the F-35 is available in greater numbers, keeping it as a Air Defence platform is the simplest and cheapest option when every penny counts. The future seems to be four or five Tranche 3 standard Typhoon squadrons working with three to four F-35B Squadrons as the future strength of the RAF's fast jet force.


Yes, I agree, but I want to know is that possible? Or if yes, is it financially prohibitive?
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Re: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)

Postby shark bait » 10 May 2018, 07:47

dumb bombs? the RAF dont use dumb bombs.

The Tranche 1 aircraft have already used Paveway II operationally, but this will soon be out of service in the RAF. There is little that would prohibit Paveway IV being integrated on the early aircraft, other than money.

Keeping the tranche 1's as an air defence platform is a bit of a guff option, it wont get the new radar, or Meteor, making it a much less capable aircraft.
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