Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)

[dmereifield]

It all got divied up, so no one felt left out and they all got a bag of sweeties to take home.

Sound business approach....

[ArmChairCivvy]

Spain leading in South America, apart from Argentina and Brazil where the UK would lead.

True, Spain has an unresolved dispute with Argentina (the nationalisation of Repsol's ops there) whereas our dispute has been de facto solved (put onto the back burner, and no one has lit that burner... for now).

[topman]

It all got divied up, so no one felt left out and they all got a bag of sweeties to take home.

Sound business approach....

Like most big defence projects it's little to do with business.

[MRCA]

All true. Never quite worked out the Italy and Kuwait connection. Always thought the UK had more clout, the Italians weren't that active in 91...

The Kuwait airforce pilots do there training in Italy.

[Ron5]

Doesn't the country that makes the sale get final assemby?

[Defiance]

Doesn't the country that makes the sale get final assemby?

Unless the country they're selling to stipulates local manufacture, yes.

[ArmChairCivvy]

Doesn't the country that makes the sale get final assemby?

Unless the country they're selling to stipulates local manufacture, yes.

I think the offer to Indonesia had the Spanish line thrown in, as a sweetener
- well, the choice was for something else in the end

[Pongoglo]

AE broadly has responsibility for the middle East but I believed it was identified Italy having greater pull in Kuwait so things were shifted.

All true. Never quite worked out the Italy and Kuwait connection. Always thought the UK had more clout, the Italians weren't that active in 91...

But the Germans buggered up India, as they did with Switzerland. And as to Austria? Selling some surplus T1 wasn't that hard with the links between Germany and Austria, let alone the arguments over running costs and corruption. In retrospect you have to wonder if the UK and Italy would have been better off without Germany and Spain.

Could you explain how Germany buggered up India?

Because they aircraft they chose to demonstrate was like all Luftwaffe Tiffies only Air to Air capable and not Air to Ground. The Rafale the French brought along was truly multi role and came with all bells and whistles which is what the Indian's were looking for and specified in the RFI. Same applied to the Grippen I believe....

[abc123]

AE broadly has responsibility for the middle East but I believed it was identified Italy having greater pull in Kuwait so things were shifted.

All true. Never quite worked out the Italy and Kuwait connection. Always thought the UK had more clout, the Italians weren't that active in 91...

But the Germans buggered up India, as they did with Switzerland. And as to Austria? Selling some surplus T1 wasn't that hard with the links between Germany and Austria, let alone the arguments over running costs and corruption. In retrospect you have to wonder if the UK and Italy would have been better off without Germany and Spain.

Could you explain how Germany buggered up India?

Because they aircraft they chose to demonstrate was like all Luftwaffe Tiffies only Air to Air capable and not Air to Ground. The Rafale the French brought along was truly multi role and came with all bells and whistles which is what the Indian's were looking for and specified in the RFI. Same applied to the Grippen I believe....

Well, they can't demonstrate something they don't have ( and for that matter, nobody has- not even RAF )...

[abc123]

So, what's the story for AESA radar on RAF-s Typhoons?

[Frenchie]

Just for information about India and the Rafale.

http://www.aircosmosinternational.com/i ... mes-100557

[Opinion3]

There do appear to have been a number of opportunities that have been a harder sell due to a lack of progress on development on our side. The ASEA radar, A2G multi-role development, Brimstone integration, and ASRAAM integration all spring to mind. I am not convinced there was demand for the conformals but sadly had the money been put up for a timely development of the above, Rafale and Gripen might have had a tougher sell against a Tiffy

[sunstersun]

https://theaviationist.com/2017/10/...d ... bYWwDuK.99

3rd crash in a short period of time.

[Tinman]

https://theaviationist.com/2017/10/...d ... bYWwDuK.99

3rd crash in a short period of time.

They have a long way to go to catch up with the F16 and F18.

[MRCA]

https://theaviationist.com/2017/10/...d ... bYWwDuK.99

3rd crash in a short period of time.

Sadly 2 crashes the result of doing loop to loop when to low and the 3rd flew into a mountain on operations.

[Defiance]

https://theaviationist.com/2017/10/28/y ... ver-yemen/

Houthi rebels claim to have downed an RSAF Typhoon. No videos or pictures, so time will tell.

[Timmymagic]

Aviation Week and UK Defence Journal are reporting that Typhoon Brimstone firing trials have successfully concluded. It doesn't look like it will be long now for operational clearance to start.

[downsizer]

Few more evolutions to be had before operational clearance.

[Timmymagic]

Few more evolutions to be had before operational clearance.

I seem to remember an interview with a Typhoon squadron leader who was confident of a date of autumn 2018 for Meteor and Brimstone, does that sound credible?

[MRCA]

Initial Meteor and storm shadow clearance are part of the p2e currently being evaluated by 41 Sqn. P3e introduces brimstone won’t be with 41 Sqn until middle of next year. Once 41 Sqn are happy they’ll be rolled out to the fleet. While everyone likes to focus on the stuff that goes bang there other significant upgrades upgrades being introduced with both packages that will enhance the a/c considerably.

[ArmChairCivvy]

While everyone likes to focus on the stuff that goes bang there other significant upgrades upgrades being introduced with both packages that will enhance the a/c considerably.

There are lots (60-70) brand new Captor-Ms that were ordered as a stop gap, to keep the line running while waiting for the delays with "E" to be cleared. How's the roll-out that officially started in 2015 going?

Spotted some money for conformals in the EP. However, that horizon is ten-years, so where, along the way...?

Pretorian upgrades? The wholes system was developed specifically for the Eurofighter. Will BAE be in the position to borrow upgrades from the more recent Barracuda?

MADL GW has been successfully tested on a tiffie... will there be money for it? Will there be money for it? How many needed? Just for deployed active fleet, not for those in storage/ deep maintenance... nor for those in-between, whatever that part of the fleet is called today?

I am convinced that the MoD is running a covert Kremnilogist training prgrm... and those of us who "pass" will be invited to the formal one

[Lord Jim]

In principal the RAF could get a more efficient and effective airplane out of the Typhoon that it could from the F-35 and I strongly believe that if the pro-USA lobby in the MoD could be gagged that is where we would end up. The usual problem exists though in that money is available for initial programme phases but rarely these days appears for the actual production. Great for career progression but bad for the countries capabilities.

[Ron5]

Typhoon won't be too effective on the carriers.

[SKB]

Typhoon won't be too effective on the carriers.

There was a concept for a Sea Typhoon. Rejected, but I did a thread for it a while back anyway: http://ukdefenceforum.net/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=302

[Lord Jim]

F-35B = FAA
Typhoon = RAF

I didn't mean not buy the F-35, but that the RAF is fixated on it as the future, where instead it should be devoting the maximum resources to getting the most out of the Typhoon. We only need the 50 odd F-35s already planned to give us the Carrier capability we need, backed by 120 Typhoon FGR6 with AESA, Conformal fuel tanks, SPEAR in all it guises and so on. Together with force multipliers like AAR, ISTAR and it makes a pretty powerful air component for the UK's military and way ahead of any likely threat especially when the training and abilities of the pilots are also included.