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Re: General Atomics MQ-9 Reaper/Protector (UCAV) (RAF)

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Re: General Atomics MQ-9 Reaper/Protector (UCAV) (RAF)

Postby ArmChairCivvy » 26 Jan 2019, 10:28



A very smart solution, and the new RG1s will have a 24 hr endurance. But will they be ably to carry both the detection plus give-chase kit?
... or we send them out in pairs?
Or, a quick 'phone call' to a P-8, loitering in the general area and capable of quick transit, before the contact is lost?

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Re: General Atomics MQ-9 Reaper/Protector (UCAV) (RAF)

Postby SW1 » 26 Jan 2019, 11:05

ArmChairCivvy wrote:


A very smart solution, and the new RG1s will have a 24 hr endurance. But will they be ably to carry both the detection plus give-chase kit?
... or we send them out in pairs?
Or, a quick 'phone call' to a P-8, loitering in the general area and capable of quick transit, before the contact is lost?


A systems of systems approach instead of one very expensive platform doing everything you could get a helicopter from a ship in the area assigned, multiple uavs operating in pairs and unmanned surface vessel in the area a submarine or an a/c carrying a torpeado. Pity we didn’t embrace this route fully at sdsr 2015 and back the uk companies developing these systems.

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Re: General Atomics MQ-9 Reaper/Protector (UCAV) (RAF)

Postby Old RN » 26 Jan 2019, 17:41

ArmChairCivvy wrote:


A very smart solution, and the new RG1s will have a 24 hr endurance. But will they be ably to carry both the detection plus give-chase kit?
... or we send them out in pairs?
Or, a quick 'phone call' to a P-8, loitering in the general area and capable of quick transit, before the contact is lost?


I think they have total endurance of about 48 hours and can carry 2 x PW-IV and 12 x Brimstone 2. That payload should allow a number of sonobouys and 2 x Stingray (or the high altitude set up for the Mk54)

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Re: General Atomics MQ-9 Reaper/Protector (UCAV) (RAF)

Postby ArmChairCivvy » 26 Jan 2019, 17:50

Old RN wrote:I think they have total endurance of about 48 hours and can carry 2 x PW-IV and 12 x Brimstone 2. That payload should allow a number of sonobouys and 2 x Stingray (or the high altitude set up for the Mk54)


Much closer than my 24 hrs
"According to GA-ASI, the CPB has a maximum operating altitude of 45,000 ft (compared with 50,000 ft for the Reaper), a maximum endurance of more than 40 hours (compared with 27 hours for the Reaper), and a maximum air speed of 200 kt (compared with 240 kt for the Reaper). The CPB also has nine external stories stations, compared with five for the Reaper."
but unclear how much the stores carried would impact that (max).

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Re: General Atomics MQ-9 Reaper/Protector (UCAV) (RAF)

Postby shark bait » 29 Jan 2019, 08:24

SW1 wrote:The other thing we were assured a UAV could not do.......

Really? GA have been selling this concept for years now, and the US even paid for a trial.

Hope it does go somewhere, it would make a lot of sense working to extend the reach of a P8, and put the idea of a Triton purchase to bed.
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Re: General Atomics MQ-9 Reaper/Protector (UCAV) (RAF)

Postby ArmChairCivvy » 29 Jan 2019, 12:14

shark bait wrote: put the idea of a Triton purchase to bed.
Agree; how many 'one-trick ponies' can we afford?

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Re: General Atomics MQ-9 Reaper/Protector (UCAV) (RAF)

Postby Lord Jim » 29 Jan 2019, 13:18

Would the Protector be of any use as a Maritime Patrol and surveillance platform? I can see it being of some use, flying from shore, even in situation such as off the coast of Somalia, where it could identify Pirates and possibly take action if needed. Working with a P-8 it would extent the ability to visually identify objects spotted by the P-8s radar over a far greater range.

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Re: General Atomics MQ-9 Reaper/Protector (UCAV) (RAF)

Postby SW1 » 29 Jan 2019, 20:16

shark bait wrote:
SW1 wrote:The other thing we were assured a UAV could not do.......

Really? GA have been selling this concept for years now, and the US even paid for a trial.

Hope it does go somewhere, it would make a lot of sense working to extend the reach of a P8, and put the idea of a Triton purchase to bed.



Yep really and I’m going back about 8 years!

If they try to buy triton then they deserve to have there budget cut.

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Re: General Atomics MQ-9 Reaper/Protector (UCAV) (RAF)

Postby SW1 » 29 Jan 2019, 20:18

Lord Jim wrote:Would the Protector be of any use as a Maritime Patrol and surveillance platform? I can see it being of some use, flying from shore, even in situation such as off the coast of Somalia, where it could identify Pirates and possibly take action if needed. Working with a P-8 it would extent the ability to visually identify objects spotted by the P-8s radar over a far greater range.


The reaper has been flown with a selex 7500 radar in a pod and it’s excellent for surveillance on sea in particular.

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Re: General Atomics MQ-9 Reaper/Protector (UCAV) (RAF)

Postby SKB » 23 Oct 2019, 22:00


(Forces TV) 22nd October 2019
The Royal Air Force Reaper drones are on the frontline in the fight against terrorism. The crew manning the drones have been involved in targetting so-called Islamic State fighters, monitoring their every move over both Iraq and Syria. The Reaper drones fly from and over the Middle East, but they are controlled by two RAF squadrons thousands of miles away. We spoke to the crews who operate the aircraft from Lincolnshire.

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Re: General Atomics MQ-9 Reaper/Protector (UCAV) (RAF)

Postby The Armchair Soldier » 24 Oct 2019, 10:59

One Reaper out of service:


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Re: General Atomics MQ-9 Reaper/Protector (UCAV) (RAF)

Postby ArmChairCivvy » 24 Oct 2019, 13:12

There were 20 and only ten were kept; was the other half only on lease?

Well, the nxt-gen will soon be with us; even there the numbers have been slightly cut. But will the later batch be for ' over the sea' or has it turned into a mere option?

What's the transition plan? 1 for 1? Or take out a circuit at a time, whatever that migh be (4-6?)?

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Re: General Atomics MQ-9 Reaper/Protector (UCAV) (RAF)

Postby Lord Jim » 25 Oct 2019, 23:53

I wonder if the new Protector will be used over the UK during counter terrorist operations. Their ability to stay on station far longer than a helicopter and be far higher would have advantages. Obviously I am not suggesting using the platforms in an armed configuration here though I am sure there could be occasions where the thought may cross some peoples minds.


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