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Re: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)

Postby cky7 » 20 Jun 2019, 13:30

shark bait wrote:“digital stealth”

Is anyone at these shows actually impressed by this kind of bullshit?


I dunno, yes it’s hyperbole but I want to see us spend more on upgrading Typhoon along these lines. Like it or not spectra gives rafale a boost, it was the only fighter to fly combat missions over Libya without growler support, ok that was against older Sam systems but it shows a degree of confidence that we and others didn’t have. I’ve also heard good things about gripen’s ew/ecm suite. LO wasn’t baked into typhoon from the start but these sort of upgrades could make it far more relevant for longer.

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Re: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)

Postby shark bait » 20 Jun 2019, 13:39

It's a step in the right direction. Typhoon needs lots on upgrades if Eurofighter want more sales. It can't compete on cost with the American jets or Grippen , and it cant compete on features against the F35.
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Re: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)

Postby SW1 » 20 Jun 2019, 14:43

It’s marketing every company does it we see plenty trotted out from American manufacturing that impress many the under lying point behind the headline is an interesting topic particularly sovereignty in this area.


Cost is a relative term what cost and to who life cycle cost, proper maintenance cost, cost of capability or made up unit prices for headlines?

Low observable is often interpreted as meaning low radar cross section as historically that’s the primary means of detecting an aircraft, but there are in the round 5 areas that require attention in the low observability environment. There is also a cost associated with each and positive and negatives with each.

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Re: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)

Postby The Armchair Soldier » 25 Jun 2019, 11:45

Moved the Luftwaffe Typhoon news to the German Armed Forces topic:
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Re: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)

Postby The Armchair Soldier » 17 Jul 2019, 10:53

Who doesn't like a bit of BRRRT:

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Re: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)

Postby Timmymagic » 20 Jul 2019, 09:48

The Armchair Soldier wrote:Who doesn't like a bit of BRRRT:


And to think the RAF were actiually looking to get rid of the 27mm on Typhoon...until they worked out that a concrete ballast to replace the 27mm would cost more to develop, trial and field than just leaving the guns in place...

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Re: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)

Postby sea_eagle » 05 Aug 2019, 21:36

shark bait wrote:Typhoon needs lots on upgrades if Eurofighter want more sales. It can't compete on cost with the American jets or Grippen , and it cant compete on features against the F35.

Agreed! Some good news to cheer everyone up?
https://www.forces.net/news/raf/uk-announces-ps350m-typhoon-engine-contract-rolls-royce
The UK has signed a contract worth almost £350 million with Rolls-Royce for engine maintenance of the RAF's Typhoon fighter jets.

However can anyone shed light on what was delivered in previous 3 years?
The RAF's Typhoons have undergone a £425 million upgrade programme over the last three years.

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Re: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)

Postby SW1 » 05 Aug 2019, 21:57

sea_eagle wrote:However can anyone shed light on what was delivered in previous 3 years?


Project Centurion

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Re: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)

Postby SW1 » 10 Aug 2019, 09:42

https://www.c4isrnet.com/global/europe/ ... r-upgrade/

WARTON — With a complex weapons integration program squared away, giving Royal Air Force Typhoon jets more punch, key sensors on the jet could see an upgrade.

The RAF’s test and evaluation squadron is already test flying the Litening 5 targeting pod in order to optimize its operation by Typhoon pilots. Work is also underway to update and improve the reliability of the jets Pirate passive infrared airborne track equipment, said Andy Flynn, BAE System’s Typhoon capability director.

Flynn said there were more than 50 separate candidate technologies being considered by the evolution review. Some of those potential upgrades could also find themselves cross decking to the Tempest sixth-generation fighter now being proposed by the British.

Clive Marrison, the industrial requirements director for Team Tempest, the industrial/government partnership leading the next-generation fighter work , said both jets could benefit from close development ties.

While the BAE executives were looking into the future for British combat air capabilities, the Typhoon approaches a landmark of sorts to be celebrated. Sixteen years after taking delivery of its first Typhoon, the RAF is preparing to receive the final aircraft ordered for its fleet in the next few weeks, said Flynn.

The final aircraft in a British order for 160 Typhoons made its test flight recently and is due to be handed over to the RAF in the coming weeks.

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Re: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)

Postby Lord Jim » 11 Aug 2019, 05:01

Yep now BAe starts trying to tempt the MoD and Governments with all those really nice to have bits of kit from the options list. I suspect they have quite a few available and ready for installation already.

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Re: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)

Postby Gabriele » 11 Aug 2019, 10:15

Not much gets out, but i think Litening V has been in the works for a while. Litening III replacement was in the pipeline for some time, and the V has some very noticeable reconnaissance capabilities beyond targeting, much more than the III, which would "solve" two problems at once, the second being the loss of RAPTOR.
You can even have side-scan SAR radar on the Litening V.

BriteCloud is being trialed already. The R2 radar has a budget line but also a lot of delays to report, and i don't know what the timeline for that one is.
The Common Weapon Launcher got some funding, but it's not clear if it will get in or not.
The development of a larger external fuel tank (believe 1800 L, but i should check to be sure) was on the cards but not sure on whether the RAF is taking that in...

And Striker II, of course. That would be nice.
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Re: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)

Postby SW1 » 11 Aug 2019, 11:22

I believe the common launcher was cleared as part of the p3e upgrade.

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Re: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)

Postby Gabriele » 13 Aug 2019, 21:54

That would be great, but unless it is what they are using for Brimstone carry (and only it), i don't think i've ever seen a photo of one flying.
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Re: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)

Postby SW1 » 16 Aug 2019, 11:08

https://www.flightglobal.com/news/artic ... de-460293/

BAE Systems is advancing work on a new synthetic training capability that will be employed by the UK Royal Air Force’s Eurofighter Typhoon squadrons in less than two years.

Scheduled to achieve initial operating capability in April 2021, the new system will comprise three full mission simulators and three operational mission trainers installed at RAF Coningsby in Lincolnshire, and two of each at the service’s Lossiemouth site in Scotland.

Once fully operational, the new equipment will support a system equally balanced between simulator-based activities and live flying, for a total of around 20 “training events” per month for each pilot. “You need to test the individual in the air sometimes… but there is better training in the synthetic environment,” Neill says. “The tactics we are using now are being observed,” he notes. “Offloading [live flying to the simulator] is not just about cost: it’s about security.”

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Re: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)

Postby SKB » 16 Aug 2019, 13:36


(Forces TV) 12 August 2019
The RAF's Typhoon jets have completed a three-year upgrade, already putting their systems to the test in the Baltics, Iraq and Syria. Project Centurion has taken BAE systems almost 1,000 days to provide the RAF's fighters with the latest missile and software performance.

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Re: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)

Postby bobp » 16 Aug 2019, 15:49

Nice video, good to see how things are moving along.

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Re: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)

Postby ArmChairCivvy » 03 Oct 2019, 10:07

The last one of the order for the RAF delivered.

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Re: Eurofighter Typhoon (RAF)

Postby ArmChairCivvy » 04 Oct 2019, 17:55

And the fleet renewal has been given a date (Oct issue of Desider):
"The MOD’s Combat Air Acquisition Programme seeking to replace capabilities currently provided by earlier models of Typhoon is intended to be one of the first new platforms to adopt Pyramid and is targeting an Initial Operating Capability by 2035."

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