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Postby Lord Jim » 26 Jan 2018, 05:44

When do we expect to see the JLTVs actually in service as against service trials etc.?

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Postby Gabriele » 26 Jan 2018, 08:53

Both WCSP and MRV-P Group 1 contracts were expected this year, but yesterday's written answers contained no indication at all about a contract award date target, so probably nothing will progress for the moment.

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Postby Lord Jim » 28 Jan 2018, 06:41

Hopefully the ball will start rolling after the SDR.

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Postby benny14 » 30 Jun 2018, 00:51

"U.S. Army has placed a $484 million order for 1,574 Joint Light Tactical Vehicles"

"To date, Oshkosh has produced more than 2,000 JLTVs and has delivered more than 1,600 JLTVs to the U.S. Army and Marine Corps. A Full Rate Production (FRP) decision is expected in FY19."

https://oshkoshdefense.com/news/u-s-arm ... -vehicles/

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Postby Caribbean » 30 Jun 2018, 13:27

benny14 wrote:"U.S. Army has placed a $484 million order for 1,574 Joint Light Tactical Vehicles"

At $1.30 to the £ , that's approx. £237,000 each - so within the £250k target price.
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Postby benny14 » 30 Jun 2018, 13:50

Caribbean wrote:At $1.30 to the £ , that's approx. £237,000 each - so within the £250k target price.

Might get them even cheaper if we wait until they start full rate production next year.

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Postby shark bait » 23 Jul 2018, 14:58

Don't make the classic mistake of dividing the American manufacturer contract by the unit number to get a price. That is never the price it actually costs the Americans, and is definitely not the price it will cost the Brits.

The government to government price to the U.K. before integration is a little over double the price you worked out. I've been told that price is closer to $700k.
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Postby Ron5 » 23 Jul 2018, 16:59

The UK are going to get the vehicles at exactly the same price as the US army.

The spares, training, service & support will be extra and tailored to the UK requirements.

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Postby Caribbean » 23 Jul 2018, 19:46

shark bait wrote:Don't make the classic mistake of dividing the American manufacturer contract by the unit number to get a price. That is never the price it actually costs the Americans, and is definitely not the price it will cost the Brits.

The government to government price to the U.K. before integration is a little over double the price you worked out. I've been told that price is closer to $700k.


Fair point, but "overall cost" tends to include multi-year maintenance contracts etc. My impression was that the £250k figure was the headline "sticker price", rather than the more usual "acquisition plus 10 years maintenance price" that we tend to get quoted.

Ron5 wrote:The UK are going to get the vehicles at exactly the same price as the US army.

Indeed - the whole point of the exercise - someone seems to have finally figured out that there are times when it's a far better idea to piggy-back on another someone else's economies of scale.
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Postby Mercator » 24 Jul 2018, 02:13

Ron5 wrote:The UK are going to get the vehicles at exactly the same price as the US army.

The spares, training, service & support will be extra and tailored to the UK requirements.


Plus the FMS surcharge, of course. Whatever that's at these days.

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Postby Ron5 » 24 Jul 2018, 17:14

Mercator wrote:
Ron5 wrote:The UK are going to get the vehicles at exactly the same price as the US army.

The spares, training, service & support will be extra and tailored to the UK requirements.


Plus the FMS surcharge, of course. Whatever that's at these days.


The surcharge is not for profit making. It just passes on the cost of the work the US had to do on behalf of the UK to process the bid. Work the UK would otherwise have to do itself. In this case, it would be tiny.

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Postby benny14 » 24 Jul 2018, 22:33

shark bait wrote:The government to government price to the U.K. before integration is a little over double the price you worked out. I've been told that price is closer to $700k.

Does that include the theatre entry gear? If so, then still cheaper than Foxhound by a mile.

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Postby Lord Jim » 30 Oct 2018, 23:58

Interesting option for fire support of Infantry units:
https://www.army-technology.com/project ... ar-system/
Yes it is heavier and bulkier than the exisitng 81mm mortar but its accuracy, within 2m of target, and rate of fire, 25 rounds per minute continuous, are quite an improvement over our existing weapon and it can engage within 10 seconds of the vehicle stopping. Mounted on the Boxer, MRV(P) and even the reay section of the Bv210 Viking it would give our Infantry greater integral indirect fire support, especially out light and planned medium formations. In addition a 120mm versiopn is under developement in response to a request from the Spanish Army.

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Postby ArmChairCivvy » 31 Oct 2018, 06:23

benny14 wrote: still cheaper than Foxhound by a mile.
Would that be $700k vs. £900k?

Lord Jim wrote:n addition a 120mm versiopn is under developement in response to a request from the Spanish Army.

The competition has been launched (for a 120 mm; I would imagine because of range as the lighter bomb in itself is compensated for by the rate of fire) and an alternative, from a different company, already exists.Who would have thought that Spain is the land of mortars. - Their mortar bombs travel far and wide, though, even Finland with their 700 heavy and 1000 of 81 mm buy from Spain rather than bothering with own.
https://www.janes.com/article/84119/spa ... ted-mortar

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Postby Lord Jim » 02 Nov 2018, 01:35

I am still a fan of having 120mm Mortars as the integral fire support within Infantry formations. Some are light enough to be towed by a Quad bike whist more supplicated versions are easily adaptable to many platforms, both wheeled and tracked, big and small. Having a SP 120mm based on the 4x4 MRV(P) would be ideal for the units within 16 Air Assault, and the same weapon system should be used on the Boxer in the Mechanised Infantry. These would reduce the reliance on the 105mm Light Guns allocated at present to the former formations and give the latter a much needed boost in firepower. The RA Units could then concentrate on more flexible 155mm systems able to use both cargo and precision rounds and hopefully a lightweight long range Rocket system using GMLRS or another system.

I do see both 3 Commando and 16 Air Assault as being the main beneficaries of the MRV(P), complimenting the Vikings inthe former and additng mobility and firepower to the latter.

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Postby ArmChairCivvy » 02 Nov 2018, 08:05

Lord Jim wrote: having 120mm Mortars as the integral fire support within Infantry formations. Some are light enough to be towed by a Quad bike


This one - strictly speaking more than a quad - https://www.irishexaminer.com/remote/me ... =ie-407684 can tow 750 kg, which is not shown on the piccie.
- the power-assisted dump box (shown) can take 340 kg of mortar bombs, with two pax sitting to the front of it. So a normal quad could carry two more of the crew

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Postby ArmChairCivvy » 02 Nov 2018, 08:23

Considering that GPS-guided precision mortar rounds - aside from their use in MOUT - need strong and continuous intel (typically having to be able to survive intense AD), then perhaps this area effect weapon that finishes the job with precise homing after having searched the general area for targets... might make a come back?

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Postby ArmChairCivvy » 02 Nov 2018, 17:26

Ron5 wrote:Merlin

Nix :) - so much smaller than Strix, to do the same job

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Re: Multi Role Vehicle – Protected - MRV(P)

Postby Lord Jim » 02 Nov 2018, 22:52

That picture takes me back to when I subscribed to Armed Forces magazine published by Ian Allan

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Re: Multi Role Vehicle – Protected - MRV(P)

Postby arfah » 03 Nov 2018, 18:36

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Edited, wrong thread.

Thought this was the MRV(P) thread..?

Not related to fantasy mortars, fantasy remote weapon systems and removed accordingly.
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Why this forum is pish!

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2: Too many fantasists ruining dedicated equipment threads with notions of what gun/mortar/artillery/missiles the equipment should have because it makes their panties moist.

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Re: Multi Role Vehicle – Protected - MRV(P)

Postby Lord Jim » 03 Nov 2018, 21:29

So that is what the Panther could have been, we dodged a bullet on that on regarding looks.

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Re: Multi Role Vehicle – Protected - MRV(P)

Postby ArmChairCivvy » 04 Nov 2018, 03:44

arfah wrote:a militarised supermarket home delivery van.
has some rally genes in it http://www.snaplap.net/iveco-dakar-rally/ and here one of the drivers from the Paris-Dakar is 'marinising' it on a training track for MBTs

- utube does let the viewer opt for translations, but the footage makes the point - does not improve the Iveco 4x4's looks, though

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Re: Multi Role Vehicle – Protected - MRV(P)

Postby Little J » 04 Nov 2018, 05:23

Was it the only entry or did they not have a competition at all :wtf:


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