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Re: British Army Future Wheeled APC

Postby Simon82 » 24 Sep 2018, 18:24

Mortar being an APC sub-variant with a turntable and an 81mm mortar, underwhelming as that is.


This is British procurement, it was never going to be as fancy as a Boxer with a Patria AMOS or NEMO turreted mortar, nice as that would be...

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Re: British Army Future Wheeled APC

Postby RunningStrong » 24 Sep 2018, 21:09

Lord Jim wrote: It usually only needs a new module designing when a new variant is requested, one of the joys of Boxer.

Given the limited number of existing Boxer variants I find it quite funny that you present this as fact.

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Re: British Army Future Wheeled APC

Postby Lord Jim » 25 Sep 2018, 15:12

There are actually a multitude of variants for the Boxer that have been developed, but only a limited number have gone into production. Here's couple they are developing.
https://www.janes.com/article/83183/rhe ... rce=Eloqua
https://www.janes.com/article/83316/dvd ... ing-module
https://www.janes.com/article/83260/dvd ... rocurement

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Re: British Army Future Wheeled APC

Postby Lord Jim » 25 Sep 2018, 22:20

Interesting how they are trying to fit four MMP missiles on a standard Protector RWS. That would be a lot of firepower for w Boxer variant.
https://www.janes.com/article/83214/dvd ... n-stations

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Re: British Army Future Wheeled APC

Postby RunningStrong » 25 Sep 2018, 22:21

Lord Jim wrote:There are actually a multitude of variants for the Boxer that have been developed, but only a limited number have gone into production. Here's couple they are developing.
https://www.janes.com/article/83183/rhe ... rce=Eloqua
https://www.janes.com/article/83316/dvd ... ing-module
https://www.janes.com/article/83260/dvd ... rocurement

But I could say the same of Stryker, and it doesn't have the glory of a modular mission system.

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Re: British Army Future Wheeled APC

Postby Lord Jim » 25 Sep 2018, 22:29

You miss the point, for example we will have X number of Boxer in storage to sustain the fleet etc. One of the Ambulances goes U/S you bring a hull out of storage and fit the existing Ambulance module, and the same goes for APC or Recovery and so on. Alternatively it is decided to upgrade the the APC variant. You only have to upgrade the Module and you can upgrade the first few from those in storage then transfer them to the units who return the unmodified module to be worked on also. You do not have to take a vehicle out of service to carry out the work. For me the benefits are obvious.

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Re: British Army Future Wheeled APC

Postby mr.fred » 25 Sep 2018, 23:07

Wouldn’t it also work if you had a fleet of conventional AFVs? Ambulance goes U/S so you bring out a high roof reserve vehicle and swap out the mission kit?

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Re: British Army Future Wheeled APC

Postby Ron5 » 25 Sep 2018, 23:36

Ah but you would need more in reserve than with Jim's cunning plan. So he's a lot cheaper.

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Re: British Army Future Wheeled APC

Postby ArmChairCivvy » 26 Sep 2018, 03:17

https://www.janes.com/article/83316/dvd ... ing-module


Built by Boxer... for Boxers (OK, an Ajax can pass; leave MBTs behind though. A true medium force)
"The goal is to create the ability to launch a pre-existing 14 m span of bridge, as well as a 22 m span that is yet to be designed; both would be able to bear armoured fighting vehicles classified as up to MLC 50 (i.e. up to 50 short tons)."

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Re: British Army Future Wheeled APC

Postby Ron5 » 26 Sep 2018, 16:40

ArmChairCivvy wrote:
https://www.janes.com/article/83316/dvd ... ing-module


Built by Boxer... for Boxers (OK, an Ajax can pass; leave MBTs behind though. A true medium force)
"The goal is to create the ability to launch a pre-existing 14 m span of bridge, as well as a 22 m span that is yet to be designed; both would be able to bear armoured fighting vehicles classified as up to MLC 50 (i.e. up to 50 short tons)."


My reading of that article is that there are two bridging projects: one by a British company using their existing bridges, and one by a German, both aiming to provide a Boxer based bridging solution.

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Re: British Army Future Wheeled APC

Postby Frenchie » 26 Sep 2018, 17:06

A Boxer can be transported in an A400M or a C17 with its turret ?

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Re: British Army Future Wheeled APC

Postby Lord Jim » 30 Oct 2018, 23:24

Interestingly, Rheinmetall have teamed up with Supercat (Asia-Pacific) in Australia for the production of components for the Boxer. Could this mean that Supercat (UK) could be part of the programme in the UK?

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Re: British Army Future Wheeled APC

Postby ArmChairCivvy » 31 Oct 2018, 05:59

Ron5 wrote:there are two bridging projects: one by a British company using their existing bridges


Would that be the same one that was put on Stormers, for Indonesia and Malaysia (and proposed on Warriors, all 38 of them, to support the Ajax first echelon... the Challies coming with their own heave bridging)?

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Re: British Army Future Wheeled APC

Postby Lord Jim » 02 Nov 2018, 01:38

Isn't the US Army working on a bridging unit based on the Stryker? I think I have also seen one based on a Bradley chassis, though I think this was a proof of concept with the final version being used on whatever wins the current medium weight tracked AFV programme, the name of which escapes me.

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Re: British Army Future Wheeled APC

Postby RunningStrong » 04 Nov 2018, 12:09

Lord Jim wrote:Isn't the US Army working on a bridging unit based on the Stryker? I think I have also seen one based on a Bradley chassis, though I think this was a proof of concept with the final version being used on whatever wins the current medium weight tracked AFV programme, the name of which escapes me.

Pearson's, of the UK, have already done it for Stryker.

https://www.pearson-eng.com/bridging-th ... r-stryker/


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