Boxer / Mechanised Infantry Vehicle (MIV)

[Ron5]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/20 ... cles-army/

Hard to believe it's that close if they're only just now asking for prices.

[james k]

Big mistake being made

[2HeadsBetter]

Take it out of the Brexit divorce bill.

[indeid]

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/20 ... cles-army/

Hard to believe it's that close if they're only just now asking for prices.

The majority of effort in HQ Land will be dedicated to deciding if jackets should be tucked into trousers or shirt sleeves be rolled up or not. That’s before discussing if barrack dress should be worn, well, in barracks.

Decisions like this will just get rushed through, got to focus on the important stuff.

[RunningStrong]

Rumours abound that the deal is tied to the recent contract award by the Aussies.

[Luke jones]

@Running Strong
Could you explain in what way the deals are tied or rumoured to be???
Thanks

[RetroSicotte]

At most I would presume its less "tied" and more that the MoD likely was using the Aussie tests to save money on running their own tests, and trusting the Aussies to do the investigation for them, since Australia has no real stake in either vehicle as an independent customer.

That, and knowing there's even more Boxers coming, they're likely hoping to get on board to make use of mass production.

There is a certain logic to it, and Boxer is a vehicle I've touted a few times, but I'm always concerned about its cost and how much will actually get done here. LAV and AMV promised very good in UK industry after all.

[Jake1992]

Is there any word on a more concrete order number yet or is it still the vague 500-800 that was put out before ?

And do we know if any will be fitted with the CT40 or similar ?

[RetroSicotte]

Is there any word on a more concrete order number yet or is it still the vague 500-800 that was put out before ?

And do we know if any will be fitted with the CT40 or similar ?

I'd be stunned if it went above 500.

Almost certain to be a Protector RWS at best.

[Simon82]

Can anyone tell me whether the Rheinmetall Lance turret fitted to the Australian Boxers has any commonality with the Rheinmetall Lance-derived turret used in the Warrior Capability Sustainment Programme? If so does that give a potential path to easily fit the 40 mm CTA gun to the Boxer should it be desired at a future date?

[Jake1992]

Is there any word on a more concrete order number yet or is it still the vague 500-800 that was put out before ?

And do we know if any will be fitted with the CT40 or similar ?

I'd be stunned if it went above 500.

Almost certain to be a Protector RWS at best.

That's a shame I would of seen getting 800 odd as a way to replace the ridgebacks, mastiffs and then part of the bulldog fleet ( the latter fitted with the CT40 ) as a nice idea and increase in capablity while reducing the logistical footprint over all.

The rest of the bulldog fleet could of been replaced with the same IFV that comes in after the Warriors ( something based on the Ajax design ? ) once again reducing the logistical footprint

[RunningStrong]

@Running Strong
Could you explain in what way the deals are tied or rumoured to be???
Thanks

Only that there may be certain financial incentives.

Whether that's because a combined order from UK/Aus would allow a better unit price for both countries I don't.

[RetroSicotte]

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/brit ... -programme

It's Boxer.

[dmereifield]

Reassuming rights as a project partner....interesting

"The UK played a major role in the original design, development and testing of the Boxer, and would reassume the rights it had as a project partner if a deal was to go through - allowing the option for the vehicle to be built and exported from the UK. The deal could see the Boxer fully assembled in the UK with at least 60% of the manufacturing with British industry, sustaining and developing UK industrial capabilities, facilities and skills."

Shame no details on numbers, type or budget available...

[Ron5]

Pretty useless announcement. Basically watch this space and we might buy Boxers in a years time. Maybe.

[RetroSicotte]

Pretty useless announcement. Basically watch this space and we might buy Boxers in a years time. Maybe.

MoD's modus operandi.

I wouldn't be surprised if we heard an announcement about six new destroyers having been launched at this point.

[Simon82]

This link from Think Defence answers my question. The new Warrior turret will fit.

https://www.lockheedmartin.com/content/ ... -SMALL.pdf

I doubt there will be any budget for it though as it rather treads on the toes of Warrior and/or Ajax. It’s nice to know it can be done though.

[Ron5]

There's a photo on this thread that shows the LM turret on a Boxer or you could google. The vehicle was shown at a DSIE exhibition I think.

[jedibeeftrix]

Pretty useless announcement. Basically watch this space and we might buy Boxers in a years time. Maybe.

*brexit waves hello*

think we'll give germany an unconditional £5b sale with so much left 'undecided'?

[jedibeeftrix]

This link from Think Defence answers my question. The new Warrior turret will fit.

https://www.lockheedmartin.com/content/ ... -SMALL.pdf

I doubt there will be any budget for it though as it rather treads on the toes of Warrior and/or Ajax. It’s nice to know it can be done though.

bin warrior.
move ajax to arm-inf brigades.
buy more boxer?

[Jake1992]

What we currently have roughly -

760 - warriors
590 - Ajax
800 - bulldog
550 - Mastiff + ridgeback

I'd like to look at replacing all the Warriors plus half the bulldog fleet with a continuation of the Ajax, so say a total of of around 1700 Ajax in service of the varying types ( 350 Reece, 950 AFV and 400 of its other variants )

I'd then look to replace the mastiffs, ridgebacks and remaining Bulldogs with boxer 8x8, so around 1000 units in service with 350 odd fitted with the CT40.

Both wheeled and track AFV bring there own advantage so to me we should keep both not go down one or the other solly.

But by replacing the medium armour in the way Iv put forward we'll be reducing our logistical footprint from 5 family's down to 2.

[benny14]

bin warrior.
move ajax to arm-inf brigades.
buy more boxer?

No IFV variant of AJAX to replace Warrior.

[benny14]

What we currently have roughly -

760 - warriors
590 - Ajax
800 - bulldog
550 - Mastiff + ridgeback

This is what we have 2016/2017.

[Jake1992]

What we currently have roughly -

760 - warriors
590 - Ajax
800 - bulldog
550 - Mastiff + ridgeback

This is what we have 2016/2017.

Like I said it was a rough round up round down of what we have it I still maintain what I put forward is the way to go

[Luke jones]

What we currently have roughly -

760 - warriors
590 - Ajax
800 - bulldog
550 - Mastiff + ridgeback

I'd like to look at replacing all the Warriors plus half the bulldog fleet with a continuation of the Ajax, so say a total of of around 1700 Ajax in service of the varying types ( 350 Reece, 950 AFV and 400 of its other variants )

I'd then look to replace the mastiffs, ridgebacks and remaining Bulldogs with boxer 8x8, so around 1000 units in service with 350 odd fitted with the CT40.

Both wheeled and track AFV bring there own advantage so to me we should keep both not go down one or the other solly.

But by replacing the medium armour in the way Iv put forward we'll be reducing our logistical footprint from 5 family's down to 2.

1700 Ajax and 1000 Boxer????

Wheres the 20 odd billion quid going to come from????