RetroSicotte wrote: ArmChairCivvy wrote:
RetroSicotte wrote:cost the Poles as much as the Challenger upgrade program alone just to try and fix to bring up to a certain standard.
e 5 mln a piece vs. our £700 mln divided by X ( the MoD being very coy about what "X" will be)
That 5 mil apiece is only the tip of the iceberg for them, unfortunately. They've had to pay a lot more to constantly fix problems related to their fleet being made up of "whatevers" from the old A4 variations.
It's been a complete mess.
Ahh...you've been listening to Damian again i see
..(or Sturgeons House forum....they are equally bad!).....isnt it funny that the Poles seemingly had/has all these problems with their A4s yet when you actually talk to polish tankers they cant recognize any of these issues. And why havent we heard anything about these seemingly "YUUUGE" problems from all the other users of the A4 model, Finland, Sweden(STRV121-no longer in use), Spain, Chile etc..?
I'll also note that when we (DK) bought our first batch of 51 A4s in 1998, they were from 6 different production batces(from 81'-85'), yet we encountered none of these issues before we had them upgraded to A5DK standard.....
Yes there are slight differences and variations between the various production lots......but in 90% of the cases the parts are the same.
For example, the A4 had three separate armour models
Allegedly!.....that is if you believe all the so called "leaked" documents on the Leo2 that very conveniently popped up recently
two separate hull models
No such thing......that hull is the same in all models, save for the placement of the return rollers, which changed once in the pre A4 versions.....meaning there are 2 configurations, but with the same rollers, track and everything so it has no impact on maintenance or operation whatsoever.
three separate transmission layouts (despite having the same one!),
There is a grain of truth to this, but it isnt really the layout that differs but only the design of the internal disc brakes (used at speeds <20mph) which became stronger in newer transmissions......was changed again in some A5 and A6 models (Leo2A5DK, Strv122, and Leopardo 2E, Leo 2A6HEL)....none of which has much impact on operations.
countless variations in internal systems from major to minor.
This is complete hyperbole from a moron (damian)who doesnt have any actual experience on the Leopard 2 or any tank for that matter and who gets 99% of his information from 2nd or 3rd hand sources or the internet
......whatever variations exist is at worst minor and inconsequential.