mr.fred wrote:Jake1992 wrote:Why would an As-90 be hundreds or thousands of metres ahead ? You place your SPGs where needed fire quick move quick to your next location you wouldn't just have them sitting there to take counter battery.
Because it's faster out of action by up to a minute and nearly as fast over ground. It's about how far you could drive in the additional time it takes the Archer to start moving after firing.Jake1992 wrote:I agree a new from scratch design wouldn’t be ready by the mid to late 20s that’s why Iv been putting forward looking at and existing design like Archer or RzH2000 as a starting point to improve on.
So you'll get an existing design with new electronics. Not really that much different to the original design
And it's PzH, PanzerHaubitze, not RzH
Why would you only have electronic upgrades what makes you think that’s all that could be done over what is to mostly be an 7-8 year period, you could look to improve the Boxers rate of fire over that time or look at the Archers weapons set up on a different vehicle. It’s about having an open mind to what route could be taken, you say your self and new from scratch design couldn’t be delivered in time so what do you suggest ? Should we just buy one of the existing designs that’ll be over 20 years old by then ? Or look at them as a starting point for a next gen version of them.
Why point out something that was clearly a typo in an arrogant manner is there any need besides to feel superior.
RunningStrong wrote:Jake1992 wrote:The Boxer 155mm variant is going down the route and could be spot on for us, but the current iteration has a low rate of fire from what I can find only at 6 RPM. I also suspect it’d be very pricey with the standard APC variant coming in at £4m+ so I can honestly see the 155mm variant clearing the £5m+ mark making them cost prohibitive for us.
And given that it only exists as a single demonstrator, probably development costs and time added to that too.
This is the big put off for me with the Boxer 155mm due to the cost of the base platform once development cost are added to make it suitable the up front per unit cost will be so high it’ll be prohibitive, yes there’s be good through life cost savings but we already know how hard it is to get the treasury to look at projects that way.