P.6 of this thread had the piece on helo-launched LMM trials (March), but if there has been a mention of the ship-launched trials done later (August Navy News features this), then I must have missed it. The summary of it was that
- on ships the 30mm range against swarming boats is not sufficient and launching LMMs out to six km will not impede the gun (mount) actions in any way... except for the few seconds
- and that on tupperware-boats, you can insert Marines with a tripod launcher that works equally well (until you run out of missiles, as you will be left with MG defences only)
So close in defences for vessels without Phalanx get a nice brushing up, what about the stuff for ship-to-ship encounters? Some comments:
Poiuytrewq wrote:could also be an admission that the T23 GP's followed by the the T31's are not going to routinely carry ASM'S apart from what their Wildcats can provide. The T45's will ordinarily deploy as part of the CSG or LitM so a decision has been taken that they don't need ASM'S either as the T23 ASW's will take care of the Anti Surface and Land Attack requirement. So much for adding the Mk41's to increase effectiveness and lethality.
See below,as for the last sentence...
dmereifield wrote:Could it be (trying to look on the bright side) that its 5 sets because they will be handed down to then T31s after the T23 ASW are replaced by the T26. We'd then have 8 land attack/ASM capable T26 (with future anglo/French missile via Mk41) and 5 T31 with the canisterised land attack/ASM? So all 13 FF would have land attack/ASM.
Caribbean wrote: on T26 don't have to be made for some years yet, but with Mk41 VLS, they will probably be able to select from a wider choice, if the Anglo-French project doesn't look like delivering on time.
... like JSM (VLS, a joint venture with the maker of MK41s... the other division of that company makes LRASM; hedging of bets on all sides
cockneyjock1974 wrote:JSM is compatible with the P8 so is Harpoon. Pound for pound surely most of the infrastructure (ship wise) is already in place for the updated Harpoons. It certainly is on the P8. To me it’s a no brainer
Except that JSM is (will be, when the Block4 mess gets sorted out) compatible with also F-35 though no internal-carry on Bs... and the serious fleet actions are meant to be undertaken by our MTF, built around carrier capability.
Timmymagic wrote:GPS with terrain contour matching algorithms in their nav software. Both LRASM and NSM have IR sensors so may also be able to use these in the terminal phase.
JSM ones one further and has (will have, with funding from the Ozzies) also electro-magnetic - radiation source - homing; quite difficult for the opposing fleet to do AAW if they turn they radars off?