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Re: RN anti-ship missiles

Postby abc123 » 09 Mar 2019, 20:49

Lord Jim wrote:But didn't you hear, the RN has decided that naval gunnery can more than make up for the lack of AShM.


No, I didn't. And I wouldn't believe it anyway.
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What's her position about heavily armed, well prepared and overmanned armies?
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Re: RN anti-ship missiles

Postby Lord Jim » 10 Mar 2019, 00:13

Oh well April 1st is still a few weeks off. :D

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Re: RN anti-ship missiles

Postby ArmChairCivvy » 10 Mar 2019, 02:57

Lord Jim wrote:Oh well April 1st is still a few weeks off. :D


It is also the first working day after 29 March
... so that all companies that have made contingency plans and moved sizeable parts of their operations will be told "JUST KIDDING"

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Re: RN anti-ship missiles

Postby Lord Jim » 18 Jun 2019, 19:03

Has anything been heard regarding the interim replacement for the Harpoon for the Royal Navy? We could do with something being brought into service sooner rather than latter surely?

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Re: RN anti-ship missiles

Postby Old RN » 19 Jun 2019, 07:02

Given the current Gulf situation when does Sea Venom become operational with Wildcats?

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Re: RN anti-ship missiles

Postby Tempest414 » 19 Jun 2019, 09:52

I think somewhere about mid late 2021

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Re: RN anti-ship missiles

Postby Tempest414 » 19 Jun 2019, 10:47

Lord Jim wrote:Has anything been heard regarding the interim replacement for the Harpoon for the Royal Navy? We could do with something being brought into service sooner rather than latter surely?


Still think RBS 15 Mk-3 would be a good stop gap as this could give both T-45 and T-31 a anti ship and land attack capability out to 300km

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Re: RN anti-ship missiles

Postby Lord Jim » 19 Jun 2019, 22:38

HAs anyone seen any info on a possible ship launched version of the Sea Venom, like we did for the Sea Skua?

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Re: RN anti-ship missiles

Postby xav » 20 Jul 2019, 08:35

Thales on Track with FASGW(L) / LMM / Martlet Program for Royal Navy’s Wildcat Helicopters

Thales recently conducted firing trials at Royal Artillery Air Defence Range at Manorbier as part of the Integration testing phase of the Future Anti Surface Guided Weapon (Light), (FASGW(L) programme.

The FASGW(L) programme includes testing of all parts of the weapon system including the Lightweight Multirole Missile (LMM), the launcher system and all key equipment of the Wildcat helicopter.

The LMM, which the Royal Navy will call Martlet when it enters service in 2020, will provide an enhanced level of protection for both service personnel in the Royal Navy and vital assets at sea, such as the Queen Elizabeth Carrier.

The trials consisted of 6 LMMs being fired from the Thales designed Launcher system at a small boat target at sea at a distance of 4.5kms. All missiles were test rounds with no warhead, but were fitted with telemetry software enabling data to be gathered to analyse the launcher, the guidance system and missile performance.

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/20 ... licopters/

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Re: RN anti-ship missiles

Postby jonas » 20 Jul 2019, 09:02

Lord Jim wrote:HAs anyone seen any info on a possible ship launched version of the Sea Venom, like we did for the Sea Skua?


Can't find a great deal of info on that, but they do seem to suggest they have that option. Under 'maritime superiortiy' download sea venom data sheet, see very last sentence.

https://www.mbda-systems.com/product/sea-venom-anl/

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Re: RN anti-ship missiles

Postby Timmymagic » 20 Jul 2019, 11:18

jonas wrote:Can't find a great deal of info on that, but they do seem to suggest they have that option. Under 'maritime superiortiy' download sea venom data sheet, see very last sentence.

https://www.mbda-systems.com/product/sea-venom-anl/


Sea Skua was sold in a canister version, but to my knowledge only Kuwait bought it. Which was a surprise as the Sea Skua was by far the most sensible (and in all probability most effective) anti ship missile for small craft out there. I suspect that MBDA will only develop a canister version if someone pony's up the cash to pay for it up front, can't see them developing one on company funds. A VL Sea Venom is I suspect in the realms of fantasy. If you've got the space for a VL, you've got the space for a larger canister missile like NSM.

Tempest414 wrote:Still think RBS 15 Mk-3 would be a good stop gap as this could give both T-45 and T-31 a anti ship and land attack capability out to 300km


I'd be astonished if the RN doesn't pick the Harpoon II, II+ or II-ER. Anything else would make no sense. A comparatively straightforward upgrade, combat systems will work, canister rails already exist and are mounted on ships, contractual relationship is already there (and thats a big deal), weapons depots equipped to deal with it. etc etc etc. The only real question is which version? Which would be dependent on whether the RN goes for new builds or a re-build of their existing stocks (which would depend on their current condition).

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Re: RN anti-ship missiles

Postby Tempest414 » 20 Jul 2019, 11:58

I agree with what you say and RBS-15 is not going to happen I just like the idea that RBS-15 would allow sea and land attack out to 300 km it would be a big capability jump for T-45 and T-31

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Re: RN anti-ship missiles

Postby donald_of_tokyo » 20 Jul 2019, 14:10

I'm afraid SPEAR3 has some overlap with SeaVenom. As I like to see SPEAR3 in ExLS as UK-lead small-but-mutiple ASM capability, I think it is better to focus on SPEAR3.

On the Harpoon replacement, I agree Harpoon Blk II+ is highly possible. But, as I understand, it lacks stealth capability as well as terminal agility, maneuver to avoid (simple) CIWS hit. Isn't it worth considering? And, as such, how about NSMs?

So-called Perseus is, even in current plan, "a decade beyond". And we all know, super-sonic ASM is very very technically challenging. Assuming no delay in its development is just irresponsible point of view. So, the interim SSM will be RN's "sole SSM" at least for 15 years. As replacing it with Perseus will also take at least a half a decade, at least for 20 years the SSM will be there. I'm afraid even longer. So, it is NOT interim, it is replacement.

Anyway, I think Harpoon II+ and NSM will be the good candidates.


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