shark bait wrote:
Jake1992 wrote: they’d need to be built to Albion’s standard
Why do they? Whats the point in hardening 10% of the assault ships?
Ocean was not hardened against attack and she still performed well where required. Any replacement would be used the same way, i.e. no direct combat.
Jake1992 wrote:I believe the US San Antonio class can operate up to 6 merlin size helos.
But they don't. No navy operates that many aircraft without having a missive flat top, that is not a coincidence.
As said Ocean would always sit back while the Albion’s went in close so to an extent it was allowable for ocean to be built to lesser standards ( again she was only a stop gap ) what your proposing is the main assault ships that will be going close built to lesser standards to me this is not acceptable.
The US don’t operate 6 from them due to the fact they have the wasp and America class LHDs, but this does not mean they cant
operate that number, there a big difference to what one does and what one can do. If memory serves me right I read that the San Antonio class can operate up to 5 V-22s that are significantly larger than a merlin. There is also the Karel doorman that you don’t like can operate up to 6 merlin size helo lol
Am I safe to assume that your idea during this discussion is to have 2 Dekdo style vessels built to Ocean standards ( to replace the Albion’s ) and 3 next gen bay class with out hanger ?
Price wise this could be doable.
Politically this might be hard due to bringing in 2 new big flat tops.
Personally I think it’ll once again limit the LSDs in the same fashion the bays our now, as we see one all has what is meant to be a temporary hanger showing a hanger would be much appreciated. The lesser build standards of the primary assault ships would put personal in an unnecessary and unacceptable risk. I do see a bonus of the flat tops being able to operate as ASW carriers as and when needed though.
Me I have 2 differing ideas for amphibious replacement -
1 - would be 2 slightly larger Dekdo style vessels built to Albion standards with 2 next gen bay with hangers.
Price wise I believe this could be out of our reach with current budget
Politically as I said with your idea this could be hard due to them being 2 new large flattops
Personally I believe it could be a well balanced and flexible force.
2 - would be 5 vessels base on the same base design 2 LPD and 3 LSD, these would be like the US is doing with the San Antonio class and replacement LSDs.
LPD would be a 6 merlin twin chinook hanger, 3/4 merlin twin chinook flight deck, 4 LCU well dock and 4 LCVP dividends.
LSD would be a 3 merlin single chinook hanger, twin merlin single chinook flight deck, 2 LCU well dock and 4 LCVP dividends.
Each would carry up to 700 troops in over load.
Price wise I think it could be just doable
Politically I think it’d be the easiest to get through due to it looking like a like for like on paper.
Personally I think this route would give use greater flexibility of combined or single operations but could be more limited it getting helos in the air at the fastest pace compared to a flattop.