Tempest414 wrote:The word Fact is used a lot here but none of of what has been said is fact at all
Tempest414-san, thanks. So I made it more strict.
RN only has a budget for 14 full-fat escorts, and another 1.5B GBP (1.25 for build and 0.25 for others) for T31e. This is fact.
I understand this is equivalent to 16 full-fat escorts, or even less.
RN still has 2 escorts in extended readiness
(*1) and has five T23s are now in LIFEX. This means RN is operating only 17 (or less) active escorts. This is fact (not just my point of view).
This means, even if RN disband 2 T23GP now without replacements, number of active escorts will not change. (my point of view? Very near to "fact" I think.)
*1: Regardless of 1st SL's statement, we do not see any news that the 2 escorts in extended readiness are re-activated. Also, reading his statement, he says the future is bright, but he did not state the 2 extended-readiness escorts has been reactivated. He also stated the man-power has increased from 2016 to 2018 summer, but he ignored the open fact that the man-power in 2016 end to 2018 end is unchanged.
The 1st T26 "needs" her ~150 crew in 2025, not 2027. Fact.
The 2nd T26 "needs" her ~150 crew in 2027, not 2029. Guess on date, but number is Fact.
As we see in River OPVs recently, River B1 were decommissioned before
River B2 comes in. So, when ship is delivered, her crew is already needed, not when the ship commissions. This is fact.
So, even if we
- delay T31e program for 3 years,
- reduce the number of hull of T31e to three (and also making it Floreal-like level to cut cost into half)
- and in place adding 9th T26 by speeding up the remaining 5 T26 build-rate by ~15%
RN loses nothing in escort point of view. With this plan, RN will have 6 T45, 9 T26 and 3 Floreal-like T31e. And, 18 is larger in number than the current 17 (not 19).
Yes this is my point of view, I agree.
shark bait wrote:
Tempest414 wrote:Point 1) Using the 1.25 or 1,5 billion from type 31 could buy one more full fat Type 26 this is Fact and only might buy two if the price could be got down to 600 to 750 million but it is far from fact that we could get 16 tier one escorts with this money
No it couldn't.
The T31 budget is allocated across the mid 20's. Additional T26 would need budget in the mid 30's. The MOD does not have the power to transfer budget between decades.
Yes and no, I think.
A T31e needs 4-5 years to build. It is the same timeframe F35 needs. By ordering ~12 more F35Bs in 2020s, it will save 1.5B GBP in 2030s. So, even though RN cannot do it, MOD can.
My proposal is to decrease the T31e budget by a half, and build "one more T26" in 2030s. So, it needs ~6 F35Bs to be ordered in 2020s, in place of 2030s. Doable, I think.