Poiuytrewq wrote:Way off topic so I've moved it across,
Thanks Donald, I enjoyed reading your reply.
donald_of_tokyo wrote: "A basic Leander" is orders-of-magnitude more fighty than our Coast Guard OPVs. Even compared to US CG cutter, Leander is much more fighty for sure.
True, but is it 'fighty' enough? Few other nations would forward deploy a singleton frigate with such large gaps in its defensive armament.
Depends. "fighty" is relative, not absolute. Even a T45 and T26 will not be fighty enough to steam in singleton around Cola peninsula. Even a RNZN ANZAC class frigate (which is LESS armed than T31e) is escorting US CVTF at Persian Gulf or in West Pacific. We also know French La Fayette class (which is similarly/less armed than T31e) regularly escorts French task force in the gulf. So, it depends on threat analysis and accompanying (other) escorts.
...I was much more relaxed about these under-armed T31's before the role of escorting the LSG came along and due to that I think they need to be a bit more competent.
As already discussed, we have very different view of LSG. For me, LSG will never be located in theater with modern at-sea threat. In such a case, full set of Amphibious Group, with LPD, escorts, RFAs and even CV itself, will be sent.
Can a vessel without even a basic hull mounted sonar even be described as a Frigate? No, not for me.
Actually I agree here. This is why I am proposing to call T31e a long-range corvette.
Agreed but how often do the above vessels deploy to the worlds hotspots like the Gulf or regularly have to enforce sanctions on North Korea for example? Even cheap SSM's are much more common that they used to be and they will continue to proliferate going forward. We can't knowingly endanger the lives of the T31 crews for an extra 12 CAMM.
In all cases, even a Merchant vessels is steaming around the area. South Korean corvette is always patrolling around the theater. Japanese Abukuma-class DE (corvette) as well. What is the problem? We are not doing war.
Also, T31 will be able to survive "cheap SSM's" attack with their 12 CAMM. Even over killing.
How embarrassing would it be to have a non-friendly SSK surface in the middle of a RN LSG because the 'escorts' didn't know it was there? The U.K. Press would have a field day. It would be a national embarrassment.
In my opinion, LSG will never deploy to such area. More importantly, even if a T31e has a hull sonar, the same will happen. Only when you have high-level of ASW assets (escorts, MPAs, helos) operating in high tempo, it could be stopped. In such integral ASW operations, T31e will cover her own local area to "fill the hole", and not actively hunting SSKs. (If with CAPTAS4CI, T31 will be able to "hunt" SSK. But, it will be still second to T26. )
And, I agree to Repulse-san, STDS is the priority.