RetroSicotte wrote:Incorrect. Horizon has torpedoes. Type 45 does not.
And they cannot "easily add" Captos 4 to Type 45. With what money? How long to refit? How long to retrain? Where's the ASW crew coming from? To engage with what weapons other than the helo?
- T45 carries torpedoes, albeit it does NOT have on-ship launcher (MTLS).
- T45 has ASW crew, albeit small.
We remember T45 "lost" the ASW war against a Trafalgar class SSN. Quite natural result. SSN can overwhelm Horizon, T42, or T23GP easily. If not, the SSN will be called "very bad". But the fact that there was a war-game means, T45 has ASW crew.
"How long to refit?": French navy does NOT have FTI at this moment. Their La Fayette has currently no sonar, and only 2 of them are getting Kingklip hull sonar. If needed, adding CAPTAS-4CI to T45 can come in the same timeframe as building FTI.
"To engage with what weapons other than the helo?": Agree. T45 has only a Wildcat to deploy torpedo they carry.
"With what money?": T31e, is my proposal. It has 1.5Bn GBP (1.25 ship 0.25 others).
By saying "it is worth discussing", I meant SDSR2020.
T31e is currently focussed on "presence" in mid-threat environment, which is understandable. Many here calls for more ASW, which is also understandable. Pursuing BOTH is impossible with current budget. So, SDSR needs to "review" over there. As there are many discussion already done in this thread, I will not recall it.
But, the only important point I stress is, key decision point of T31e program must, very important to say again, must
, done AFTER SDSR2020.
Making the "10 year wallet" empty BEFORE the review means, we will face severe cuts in SDSR with nearly 50% probability if other priorities are identified. Running a political chicken game is OK, but betting the whole UK defense on that race is, .... foolish.
Whatever they say, there are always two candidates;
A: significantly reducing amphibious resource (including RM cuts and LSD/LPDs).
B: putting 1 CVF into reserve, as RN does with the 2 Albion-class LPDs.
If you are Army or Air Force supporter, it is clearly evident.
# Adding a problem is, the LSS issue. "If they can deploy commando helicopters, do we need PoW?", "If they can provide HADR, can we ban another Bay or two?". Because of lack of info. it is not clear now, but these are very very natural questions RN need to answer in SDSR2020.