Poiuytrewq wrote:Not sure how viable this is. I don't think HMT would go for it. I think a simplified T26 with a reduced core crew allocation would be a better option. In effect a T26e to build on the export success of the full spec T26. A much more capable £350m-£450m T31 would also be a realistic option.
To take this and my post about the NSS on a bit the way I see it is if the UK got its act together around 3 yards all working to a 2 year drum beat with a agreed some of money work something like this
BAE Yard Govan Scotland = type 26 program 1 ship every 2 years at 450 million per year = 900 million per ship followed by next tier 1 ships
Babcocks yard Rosyth = 2 SSS followed by 4 200 meter Enforcer LPDs 1 ship every 2 years at 200 million per year = 400 million per ship
Cammell Liard Liverpool = type 31 program 1 ship every 2 years at 175 million per year = 350 per ship followed by the MHPC program
By building on a 2 year drum beat export ships ca be fitted between UK ships
abc123 wrote: Repulse wrote:
donald_of_tokyo wrote:Only exception will be RNZN, which has no ship-building industry (they lost), and still looking for two frigates. But, only one candidate. And it is only a candidat
A better move would be to give RNZN a special financial deal on 2 T26s, forward base another RN T26 there and jointly man - this would be a good base for a Far East presence...
Could UK get the same "special deal" with the BAE pleeeease?
PapaGolf wrote:I wonder if building 10 T26 and then selling on ships 1 & 2, after 10 years of use, to NZ (or someone else, Brazil?) would be economically viable. Few countries that can afford a brand new T26 will not want to build them themselves, the second hand market might be more lucrative?
SW1 wrote:It would be interesting to know what the business case or plan is for export of this vessel type.
If your looking to sell anything you would go to countries/people who have bought from you before and ask are you looking something new what would you like. In simply terms I would look at countries who have in the past bought type 22 and 23s from use. What would they like type 26? Maybe too expensive, 2nd hand type 23 or a type 31e. The question there might be is a second hand type 23 cheaper than a type 31 and which is the better vessel.
I think this shall be continued in escort thread, not in NEWS thread, so I moved it here, before I comment anything.
Tempest414 wrote:It is clear T23 will be cheaper to buy and in many ways is a better ship than T31 but how much will cost to keep it going and how longer will it be supported are the other maybe more important questions.
This is why I say before we can look to export we need our own house in order for NSS to work it needs to be in two parts first re-enforce UK ship building around 3 yards as I have put forward above and then approach Navys who we have sold to before as you say and ask what they want
If it is about RNZN, they do have ANZAC frigate, now being modified in Canada. It is similarly armed as T31e.
- CAMM (might be only 12), a 5in gun, 4x 12.7mm gun (2 on RWS), 1x SH2G helo, 2x triple AS turpedo tubes
- Smart-S Mk.2 radar, IRST, new chaff/flare, anti-ASM floating radar decoy
- Sea Sentor ship torpedo defence (decoy) system, a small hull sonar (Spheroin-B)
- long enough range and endurance (even longer than T31e).
Commissioned in 1997 and 1999, there is no hope replacing them with T23, which is even elder. Now modified, I understand they are planned to be replaced by 2030-2035 (~35 years old). These timeline matches well with T31 (right after UK 5-hull has been commissioned) and T26 (but build at where? Can we squeeze in 2 hulls in the middle of UK's 8 hulls build?).
I do not think RNZN will be interested in T26. With relative commonality of armaments and decoy kits, they might be interested in T31e.
Why not UK start consulting with RNZN when selecting T31e? I think it is worth taking time. Delaying T31e by 2-3 years has no impact on RN fleet; even if the first 2 T23GP are disbanded without replacement (say, "gapped"), there is no problem because of no crew.
They might be interested in
- Arrowhead 140 because it is larger,
- MEKO A200 because ANZAC is MEKO 200
- not sure about Leander, BUT we must note it's size is the same to MEKO A200 and ANZAC. Leander is NOT small.
But, the big IF is, will New Zealand ever be interested in UK built frigate? (I'm afraid not...., sorry to say....)
#Sorry, self destroying my own idea ....