I think you could make the same argument for the Caribbean, Falklands and Gibraltar. They should also be much cheaper to buy and run than even a T31.Repulse wrote:I’d argue that a OPV/Survey Ship hybrid would be perfect for a ship based in Singapore
Interesting, it sounds like a forward base that can be surged if required that is backed up by some relatively cheap RN/RFA vessel(s) could be the way forward.Caribbean wrote:hurricane or earthquake relief needs the ability to shift a lot of material fast.....but the vehicles and supplies would have to be stored, and a system would have to be in place to get appropriate personnel, in-region, at relatively short (2-4 days) notice
Absolutely and something like a Venari 95 would be a hot favourite but Damen also has an equivalent. https://products.damen.com/-/media/Prod ... 5_2016.pdfTempest414 wrote:If we need a new class of ship then we should build ships we need and will be part of the future fleet. and I feel if there was a need we could have MHPC in 5 years and a mix of RB1 & RB2 should do until then
https://www.damen.com/~/media/New-Corpo ... _2016.ashx
WORLDWIDE, LITTORAL AND OCEAN 3600 tonnes – 85 x 16 x 5.0 metres
"Intended for worldwide service, the capacity of the largest vessel in the range – the MRAV 3600 – allows for more than one specific mission during a deployment. Capable of hydrographic operations both in littoral and deeper waters, this vessel also has a helideck and substantial storage capacity for other mission configurations, equipment and cargo. Furthermore, the MRAV 3600 can serve as a base for more extensive operations such as disaster relief and at sea naval taskgroup training support. There is accommodation for 14 core and 45 additional mission crew and enough space on board to provide emergency hospital services
for up to 50 people."
Clearly there are a lot of positives about these vessels, likewise the almost identical Venari 85 but they have a few negatives too. The lack of a hanger is a big omission but a 20m stretch would sort that and also add another 300sqm to the garage capacity.
The hybrid propulsion system is ideal for survey and littoral ASW but the top speed would need to be increased to around 21knts for patrol duties. Is the simple solution to have an 85m MCM variant at 16knts and a 105m Patrol variant at 21knts. Doesn't seem too complicated.
I'm not suggesting the Damen option is better than Venari, what applies to one applies to the other but it's interesting what Damen believe this vessel is capable of.
No need for a protracted MHPC programme, these vessels could be constructed almost immediately.
We can't do anything more without additional funding. Bigger Ambition, Bigger Budget, Simple.Lord Jim wrote:Going forward though unless there is a step change in funding we are going to have to work with what is currently planned and organised out deployments accordingly.
Sorry, can't agree with that. In the same way Allies are always delighted to see a T45 coming, potential adversaries generally have the opposite reaction.donald_of_tokyo wrote:Against China or Russia, its modest fighting power is not a problem, even a T45 or a T26 is "nothing" in their vicinity
With a 57mm/76mm potentially it could be better.donald_of_tokyo wrote:Against fast boats, T31e is as good as T26/T45
Agreed, Gibraltar needs something a bit bigger on a permanent basis to try and curtail these incursions, ideally with a reinforced bowdonald_of_tokyo wrote:APT-N shall be something optimized for "Coast Guard" or "HADR" and Gib can be an OPV.