Tempest414 wrote:Jake1992 wrote:Are the RB2s really the best vessel for the C3 ?
Yes they could do the mcm, survey and Littoral ASW but are no best designed to. Surely something with an open work deck and covered work area in front with at least a UAV hanger and multiple dividends and cranes would be better.
A Venari 95 or modern black swan would be better in my opinion.
Maybe keep the 5 RB2s to replace and enlarge the OPV fleet ( which I think will be needed after brexit ) and then start to look at 8 plus purpose built sloops.
You are right that the B2's are not the best ship for the C3 role but add 3 more and start to use them in the role and learn what it is we need to replace them with even if we started to replace the MCM around 2028 it would be 2038 before we started on replacing the B2'sPoiuytrewq wrote:The problem is that it will be 2040 before such a force structure is possible with current planning. Lots of SDSR's between now and then.
Yes but SDSR's will come and go anyway. However if we started in 2021 to build 3 more OPV's and added 3 more T-31's to the order then by 2031 we could have a fleet of
6 AAW destroyers
8 ASW Frigates
8 GP Frigates
Why buy 3 more now though ? Yes use the existing ones to learn but why buy more unsuited vessel instead of designed and building one that is properly suited to the roles, it’s just chucking money away.
Remember the RB1s will need replacing come mid 2020s so you’ll lose RB2s there.
Having 8 OPVs as your C3 fleet is not only having not well suited vessels for the role but not enough of them either.
You’ll need at least 3-5 of them doing EEZ work after brexit leaving at best 5 and at worse 3 vessel to conduct all your mcm, survey, Littoral ASW and patrol roles. This is why I believe the OPVs and C3 fleets need to be separate, 8 properly designed C3 may just be enough to do all the above but not if they have to do UK EEZ work aswell.