Tempest414 wrote:but there are people here who say T-31 will be running around doing nothing important and that a OPV can do its job which is bollocks
The Type 31 cannot engage in frontline combat. It simply is not capable of it.
If it cannot be in a role where it might get shot at, then its only role is to conduct peacetime ops.
People might claim this nebulous, hilariously over-specific vague role of "Higher risk areas where the risk is higher than nothing but not actually that high, if it's far away from home, and also something that no other escort is needed in, but has a need to be close to shore", but that is so overspecified that it's effectively irresponsible to base 25% of your escort fleet solely around expecting to do.
You don't need Artisan, CAMM, 3x rapid guns and a near 6,000 ton warship to chase pirates. But similarly, a ship with only 12 CAMM and 3 guns is incapable of fighting on the frontline. It's a solution looking for a problem, and one the USN has already harshly encountered and since deviated from.
what is a credible warship in your eyes ?
The only conclusion the RN came to was that they wanted a one for one replacement for type 23 They then failed to manage the project
They had the money taken away from them. They don't make cash calls. They identify the requirement. That was at least 19 credible fighting ships. To be capable of engagement on the frontliner at Royal Navy standards, you would expect it to at least match the Type 23 GP in context of its era. As such, a T26 without the towed sonar. Which funnily enough is exactly what the Royal Navy identified is what it needed.
To mark a minimum below that, would have been a transitional evolution of the T23 GP end-of-life capability to a new hull. Such a Type 31 would have been:
- 127mm Mk45 Mod 4 Medium Gun
- At least 32x CAMM
- At least 8x AShM
- At least some form of ASW on-board weapon
- Acoustically quietened
- Hull Sonar
Additional fit to match the progressive increase in escort capability may have included CIWS, the boat bays, or using 2 Mk41 modules to mount the AShM/ASW weapons, but that is the baseline that it had to meet to create an equivalent in context to the increasing requirements of the age.
Funnily enough, that pretty much comes to being what the Royal Navy noted. Also funnily enough what the French Navy has found (FTI is pretty much just a cheaper FREMM). Also what the Italian Navy has noted (PPA having varying levels of fit). Also what the USN has noted (With FFGX). Also note how every single ship designer who put up designs for T31 seemed to be broadly of the idea that it would match that level, with some variance (number of CAMM, 127 or 76) until suddenly, they all got caught off guard by just how low it all was.