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Have they de-commissioned Sau Paulo (Foch) or will they be running on the two?

Sao Paulo will be decommissioned soon. She actually had never been active, as I understand.

It is a shame Brazil could not make Sau Paulo work out, such a nice little carrier, would of been good to see the Sea gripen flying of the deck

But ex ocean is a lot cheaper to run and will serve them well...until they make up there minds weather to have a fixed wing carrier again

Dahedd wrote:Interesting placement of the rear gun. Ocean didn't have a gun mounted there before? Wonder why they didn't use the positions formally used by the Phalanx?

Brazil will addopt a new CIWS in the Phalanx positions. The oerlikon millennium 35 mm naval revolver gun.

donald_of_tokyo wrote:Sao Paulo will be decommissioned soon. She actually had never been active, as I understand.

She was active for many years, but the price to make the Overhaul was too expensive. A new carrier will take São Paulo place in the next decade.

Digger22 wrote:The second ship in line of the following escort of three, looks like a T22. Don't recognise the 1st in line and the 3rd I can't zoom in enough. Great to see.

Yes, is the ex HMS Broadsword (F88) now F46 Greenhalgh.

According to reports, the transfer cost of each Phalanx was around 10 million dollars

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Dahedd wrote: Interesting placement of the rear gun. Ocean didn't have a gun mounted there before? Wonder why they didn't use the positions formally used by the Phalanx?

Added during the 2014 refit.

You learn something new every day!

Dahedd wrote:Do the Brazilian Cougars/Super Pumas have folding rotors & tails? If not they'll surely be a tight fit in Ocean/Atlanticos lifts & hangers.

The H225M Super Cougar have folding rotors. The Super pumas have rotors and tails, but they are being decommissioned. some of New Super Cougar/Caracal are equipped with the exocet missile

An interesting thing that will see in the A140 will be the operation with the Brazilian air force Mil-mi 35.

Air operations in Brazil

Hopefully Brazil navy well happy with their new large toy ,any feedback from the navy bods yet ,over too sure Brazilian friends now to answer that I quess

Did the UK sell it with the LCVP? Or did Brazil already have them?

A fine looking ship, even in Brazilian colours, looking foward to seeing a HMS Ocean 2 flying the white ensign!

4 LCVPs were sold along with her.

A140 Atlantico arrives the first time in the state of São Paulo - Brazil. In the port of Santos - São Paulo

she already looks really worn, lack of maintenance already?

jimthelad wrote:she already looks really worn, lack of maintenance already?

In deck is only rain. in the ship's hull is because she is operating on the Brazilian coast for several days

Thx Brasil, these photos showed where the Bofors 40mm guns have been located
- only 2 of them? leaves zones that are not covered

Is there not a third one on the rear of the flight deck? I also think they are 30mm.

Old RN wrote:a third one on the rear of the flight deck? I also think they are 30mm

A good spot.

The UK 2012 refit included
"Defensive upgrades include the new Type 997 “Artisan” Medium Range Radar system; 4 automated 30mm cannons and 20 km of accompanying power and control cabling to replace existing 20mm manned guns, and complement the ship’s 3 MK15 Phalanx advanced 20mm close-in weapon systems"
and as the three Phalanxes were not sold along with the ship, I would be inclined to say that they are Bofors 40mm guns, which Brazil uses to such an extent that they are built in Brazil (from parts, supplied by BAE Bofors?)
- someone with a good resolution screen can zoom up?

ArmChairCivvy wrote:

Old RN wrote:a third one on the rear of the flight deck? I also think they are 30mm

A good spot.

The UK 2012 refit included
"Defensive upgrades include the new Type 997 “Artisan” Medium Range Radar system; 4 automated 30mm cannons and 20 km of accompanying power and control cabling to replace existing 20mm manned guns, and complement the ship’s 3 MK15 Phalanx advanced 20mm close-in weapon systems"
and as the three Phalanxes were not sold along with the ship, I would be inclined to say that they are Bofors 40mm guns, which Brazil uses to such an extent that they are built in Brazil (from parts, supplied by BAE Bofors?)
- someone with a good resolution screen can zoom up?

They are the original 30mm DS30M Mk2. The same mounted on our Amazonas class (based on your River class)

Two in te front sides, one in the back up the deck and other in the left on the back that you can see in the 00:19 sec of this video.

Brasil wrote:A140 Atlantico arrives the first time in the state of São Paulo - Brazil. In the port of Santos - São Paulo

Brasil wrote:They are the original 30mm DS30M Mk2. The same mounted on our Amazonas class (based on your River class)

- thx Brasil; so where the Phalanx mounts were have been left as they were (but w/o anything)?