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Re: Ocean Class Helicopter Carrier (LPH) (1998-2018) (ex RN)

Postby donald_of_tokyo » 27 Aug 2018, 15:39

Not sure disbanding Ocean is foolish, because having 2 CVF is very ambitious. RN is simply paying for it.

Interesting Brazil was so decisive and fast. Sao Paulo (Ex-Foch) is a light carrier, but HMS Ocean is a LPH = a helicopter carrier. Very different. Maybe the air strike role was just "nice to have" for them, and cost did not allowed them to enjoy such luxury.

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Re: Ocean Class Helicopter Carrier (LPH) (1998-2018) (ex RN)

Postby Pongoglo » 27 Aug 2018, 16:08

Have they de-commissioned Sau Paulo (Foch) or will they be running on the two?

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Re: Ocean Class Helicopter Carrier (LPH) (1998-2018) (ex RN)

Postby donald_of_tokyo » 27 Aug 2018, 16:24

Sao Paulo will be decommissioned soon. She actually had never been active, as I understand.

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Re: Ocean Class Helicopter Carrier (LPH) (1998-2018) (ex RN)

Postby serge750 » 27 Aug 2018, 17:10

It is a shame Brazil could not make Sau Paulo work out, such a nice little carrier, would of been good to see the Sea gripen flying of the deck :clap:

But ex ocean is a lot cheaper to run and will serve them well...until they make up there minds weather to have a fixed wing carrier again :shh:

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Re: Ocean Class Helicopter Carrier (LPH) (1998-2018) (ex RN)

Postby Brasil » 27 Aug 2018, 18:19

Dahedd wrote:Interesting placement of the rear gun. Ocean didn't have a gun mounted there before? Wonder why they didn't use the positions formally used by the Phalanx?


Brazil will addopt a new CIWS in the Phalanx positions. The oerlikon millennium 35 mm naval revolver gun.

donald_of_tokyo wrote:Sao Paulo will be decommissioned soon. She actually had never been active, as I understand.


She was active for many years, but the price to make the Overhaul was too expensive. A new carrier will take São Paulo place in the next decade.

Digger22 wrote:The second ship in line of the following escort of three, looks like a T22. Don't recognise the 1st in line and the 3rd I can't zoom in enough. Great to see.


Yes, is the ex HMS Broadsword (F88) now F46 Greenhalgh.

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Re: Ocean Class Helicopter Carrier (LPH) (1998-2018) (ex RN)

Postby Brasil » 27 Aug 2018, 18:55

According to reports, the transfer cost of each Phalanx was around 10 million dollars

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Re: Ocean Class Helicopter Carrier (LPH) (1998-2018) (ex RN)

Postby Digger22 » 27 Aug 2018, 19:47

Subtitles or Transcript for us linguistically challenged morons?

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Re: Ocean Class Helicopter Carrier (LPH) (1998-2018) (ex RN)

Postby Brasil » 27 Aug 2018, 20:20

Digger22 wrote:Subtitles or Transcript for us linguistically challenged morons?


Hello Friend!
Youtube has automatic subtitle translation in the video settings

Greetings

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Re: Ocean Class Helicopter Carrier (LPH) (1998-2018) (ex RN)

Postby RichardIC » 27 Aug 2018, 21:27

Dahedd wrote:Interesting placement of the rear gun. Ocean didn't have a gun mounted there before? Wonder why they didn't use the positions formally used by the Phalanx?


Added during the 2014 refit.

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Re: Ocean Class Helicopter Carrier (LPH) (1998-2018) (ex RN)

Postby Digger22 » 28 Aug 2018, 11:38

You learn something new every day!

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Re: Ocean Class Helicopter Carrier (LPH) (1998-2018) (ex RN)

Postby Brasil » 28 Aug 2018, 16:36

Dahedd wrote:Do the Brazilian Cougars/Super Pumas have folding rotors & tails? If not they'll surely be a tight fit in Ocean/Atlanticos lifts & hangers.


The H225M Super Cougar have folding rotors. The Super pumas have rotors and tails, but they are being decommissioned. some of New Super Cougar/Caracal are equipped with the exocet missile

An interesting thing that will see in the A140 will be the operation with the Brazilian air force Mil-mi 35.

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Re: Ocean Class Helicopter Carrier (LPH) (1998-2018) (ex RN)

Postby Brasil » 22 Sep 2018, 23:38

Air operations in Brazil


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Re: Ocean Class Helicopter Carrier (LPH) (1998-2018) (ex RN)

Postby Brasil » 16 Nov 2018, 16:12

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Re: Ocean Class Helicopter Carrier (LPH) (1998-2018) (ex RN)

Postby inch » 16 Nov 2018, 19:22

Hopefully Brazil navy well happy with their new large toy ,any feedback from the navy bods yet ,over too sure Brazilian friends now to answer that I quess

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Re: Ocean Class Helicopter Carrier (LPH) (1998-2018) (ex RN)

Postby shark bait » 19 Nov 2018, 08:40

Did the UK sell it with the LCVP? Or did Brazil already have them?

A fine looking ship, even in Brazilian colours, looking foward to seeing a HMS Ocean 2 flying the white ensign!
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Re: Ocean Class Helicopter Carrier (LPH) (1998-2018) (ex RN)

Postby Gabriele » 19 Nov 2018, 10:16

4 LCVPs were sold along with her.
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Re: Ocean Class Helicopter Carrier (LPH) (1998-2018) (ex RN)

Postby Brasil » 25 Nov 2018, 21:55

A140 Atlantico arrives the first time in the state of São Paulo - Brazil. In the port of Santos - São Paulo

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Re: Ocean Class Helicopter Carrier (LPH) (1998-2018) (ex RN)

Postby jimthelad » 25 Nov 2018, 22:32

she already looks really worn, lack of maintenance already?

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Re: Ocean Class Helicopter Carrier (LPH) (1998-2018) (ex RN)

Postby Brasil » 25 Nov 2018, 23:34

jimthelad wrote:she already looks really worn, lack of maintenance already?

In deck is only rain. in the ship's hull is because she is operating on the Brazilian coast for several days

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Re: Ocean Class Helicopter Carrier (LPH) (1998-2018) (ex RN)

Postby ArmChairCivvy » 26 Nov 2018, 02:49

Thx Brasil, these photos showed where the Bofors 40mm guns have been located
- only 2 of them? leaves zones that are not covered

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Re: Ocean Class Helicopter Carrier (LPH) (1998-2018) (ex RN)

Postby Old RN » 26 Nov 2018, 06:00

Is there not a third one on the rear of the flight deck? I also think they are 30mm.

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Re: Ocean Class Helicopter Carrier (LPH) (1998-2018) (ex RN)

Postby ArmChairCivvy » 26 Nov 2018, 09:36

Old RN wrote:a third one on the rear of the flight deck? I also think they are 30mm


A good spot.

The UK 2012 refit included
"Defensive upgrades include the new Type 997 “Artisan” Medium Range Radar system; 4 automated 30mm cannons and 20 km of accompanying power and control cabling to replace existing 20mm manned guns, and complement the ship’s 3 MK15 Phalanx advanced 20mm close-in weapon systems"
and as the three Phalanxes were not sold along with the ship, I would be inclined to say that they are Bofors 40mm guns, which Brazil uses to such an extent that they are built in Brazil (from parts, supplied by BAE Bofors?)
- someone with a good resolution screen can zoom up?

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Re: Ocean Class Helicopter Carrier (LPH) (1998-2018) (ex RN)

Postby Brasil » 26 Nov 2018, 18:25

ArmChairCivvy wrote:
Old RN wrote:a third one on the rear of the flight deck? I also think they are 30mm


A good spot.

The UK 2012 refit included
"Defensive upgrades include the new Type 997 “Artisan” Medium Range Radar system; 4 automated 30mm cannons and 20 km of accompanying power and control cabling to replace existing 20mm manned guns, and complement the ship’s 3 MK15 Phalanx advanced 20mm close-in weapon systems"
and as the three Phalanxes were not sold along with the ship, I would be inclined to say that they are Bofors 40mm guns, which Brazil uses to such an extent that they are built in Brazil (from parts, supplied by BAE Bofors?)
- someone with a good resolution screen can zoom up?


They are the original 30mm DS30M Mk2. The same mounted on our Amazonas class (based on your River class)

Two in te front sides, one in the back up the deck and other in the left on the back that you can see in the 00:19 sec of this video.

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Re: Ocean Class Helicopter Carrier (LPH) (1998-2018) (ex RN)

Postby Brasil » 26 Nov 2018, 18:33

Brasil wrote:A140 Atlantico arrives the first time in the state of São Paulo - Brazil. In the port of Santos - São Paulo


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