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Re: Echo Class Hydrographic Survey Ships (RN)

Postby donald_of_tokyo » 30 Nov 2018, 10:22

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donald_of_tokyo wrote:Looking at these image, I really think MHC must adopt bulky hull. Large deck space, more flexibility to future MCM drones. I think we must omit "high speed" requirement, which will significantly degrade the effectiveness as MHC ship, by requiring more slender hull. I think, 18 knot is max. Even 16 knots is doable.


So lets say the UK went for a 100 meter Venari with a wildcat capable hangar and Max speed of 18 knots it could still be very a useful patrol ship
Exactly :thumbup:

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Re: Echo Class Hydrographic Survey Ships (RN)

Postby Poiuytrewq » 30 Nov 2018, 10:50

Tempest414 wrote:
donald_of_tokyo wrote:Looking at these image, I really think MHC must adopt bulky hull. Large deck space, more flexibility to future MCM drones. I think we must omit "high speed" requirement, which will significantly degrade the effectiveness as MHC ship, by requiring more slender hull. I think, 18 knot is max. Even 16 knots is doable.


So lets say the UK went for a 100 meter Venari with a wildcat capable hangar and Max speed of 18 knots it could still be very a useful patrol ship
The speed requirement is up for debate, I would like to see 21knts but the crucial part is the hanger.

A Venari 95 with a 57mm/76mm, Phalanx and embarked Wildcat would be a very very useful platform in the maritime security role. The ability to embark CB90's, LCVP's and LCAC's is just the icing on the cake.

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Re: Echo Class Hydrographic Survey Ships (RN)

Postby donald_of_tokyo » 30 Nov 2018, 11:28

Poiuytrewq wrote:The speed requirement is up for debate, I would like to see 21knts but the crucial part is the hanger.

A Venari 95 with a 57mm/76mm, Phalanx and embarked Wildcat would be a very very useful platform in the maritime security role. The ability to embark CB90's, LCVP's and LCAC's is just the icing on the cake.
MHC is primarily a mine counter measure asset. It must be evaluated as such. Patrol is primarily T31 and River B2s role. For example, I am not sure BOTH ciws and 57/76mm are needed. Either might be better, in view of less crew and more deployment. May be, FFBNW CIWS?

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Re: Echo Class Hydrographic Survey Ships (RN)

Postby Poiuytrewq » 30 Nov 2018, 12:15

donald_of_tokyo wrote:
Poiuytrewq wrote:The speed requirement is up for debate, I would like to see 21knts but the crucial part is the hanger.

A Venari 95 with a 57mm/76mm, Phalanx and embarked Wildcat would be a very very useful platform in the maritime security role. The ability to embark CB90's, LCVP's and LCAC's is just the icing on the cake.
MHC is primarily a mine counter measure asset. It must be evaluated as such. Patrol is primarily T31 and River B2s role. For example, I am not sure BOTH ciws and 57/76mm are needed. Either might be better, in view of less crew and more deployment. May be, FFBNW CIWS?
Apologies Donald, my fault for not being clear (again). The CIWS should be FFBNW along with the Wildcat. Some would argue that for a lot of patrol tasks even the 57mm/76mm is unnecessary but I believe a 57mm/76mm and 2x 30mm's is a basic requirement for patrolling outside the EEZ. The Phalanx and Wildcat can be added if necessary.

My comment above was based on a Black Sea deployment in the current climate. A Venari 95 with a 57mm/76mm, 2x 30mm's, Phalanx and a Wildcat would be a decent platform to send into such a situation. Sending a pair of Venari 95's with maybe a single Wildcat between them would be even better, especially if one was in a Combat MCMV configuration with 12 CAMM and Artisan.

We have to be realistic, these sort of standoff confrontations are going to become more and more common until one side backs down, and there is little sign of that. The days of trotting the globe with a 20mm or 30mm are coming to an end and RN/MOD/HMG need to realise that before a vessel gets into a situation it can't handle.

The Venari will never be an offensive asset but it should have the ability to upgrade its defensive capabilities if required. The Combat MCMV configuration is just an even more capable defensive package that can operate in conflict zones without additional escorts. Some argue that it isn't necessary because a T23/T26/T31 will always be on hand to escort the MCMV's. In that case what is going to escort Echo in the Black Sea? The answer is probably nothing hence the need for the new class of MHC vessels to be able to quickly upgrade their defensive cability if required.

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Re: Echo Class Hydrographic Survey Ships (RN)

Postby SKB » 25 Jan 2019, 12:13



The Enterprise is patrolling near the Neutral Zone....

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Re: Echo Class Hydrographic Survey Ships (RN)

Postby SKB » 11 Feb 2019, 14:53



....and has arrived back at Spacedock.

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Re: Echo Class Hydrographic Survey Ships (RN)

Postby SKB » 19 Jun 2019, 00:05



It would be unwise of the ship's company to go ashore wearing red shirts in this strange, hostile alien location.... :mrgreen:

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Re: Echo Class Hydrographic Survey Ships (RN)

Postby SKB » 21 Jun 2019, 13:07


Image

Enterprise's shields have been raised. :mrgreen:

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Re: Echo Class Hydrographic Survey Ships (RN)

Postby SKB » 08 Jul 2019, 13:10



And left the next day.

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Re: Echo Class Hydrographic Survey Ships (RN)

Postby SKB » 16 Aug 2019, 13:39


(Forces TV) 15th August 2019
Following 22 months away from her home port HMS Echo returned to Devonport today. The Royal Navy survey ship has been working with NATO and the EU in the Mediterranean and Black Sea as well as charting the region’s waterways.


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