interesting looks like the GP's will all have Ceptor
Re: Type 23 Frigate (Duke Class) (RN) [News Only]
Posted: 28 Oct 2017, 11:32
by The Armchair Soldier
The MOD's response to the Jane's article.
Ministry of Defence wrote:We can categorically confirm that there has been no engagement with either Chile or Brazil in respect of early sale of Type 23 Frigates or the two LPDs.
Interesting choice of words, it does not deny that they may be withdrawn or that they may be sold simply that there are no discussions currently taking place with Brazil or Chilie.
The Armchair Soldier wrote:The MOD's response to the Jane's article.
Ministry of Defence wrote:We can categorically confirm that there has been no engagement with either Chile or Brazil in respect of early sale of Type 23 Frigates or the two LPDs.
Looks like shes also had the weird curved structures removed from the hangar roof.
Never knew what they were for. I had always suspected they we're some kind of mechanical filter/amplifier for the radar, and now they're gone along with the sea wolf illumination radar
Re: Type 23 Frigate (Duke Class) (RN) [News Only]
Posted: 30 Oct 2017, 13:38
by donald_of_tokyo
shark bait wrote:Looks like shes also had the weird curved structures removed from the hangar roof.
Never knew what they were for. I had always suspected they we're some kind of mechanical filter/amplifier for the radar, and now they're gone along with the sea wolf illumination radar
I "think" they were to cut "in-direct radio wave", reflected from the bridge roof and hangar roof. It can be canceled by some circuit/filter, but in place RN just "shadowed" it, i guess.
HMS Dauntless (D33) looks nice, but HMS Lancaster (F229) is...? Modernization process is really proceeding? I'm not sure...
Re: Type 23 Frigate (Duke Class) (RN) [News Only]
Posted: 23 Nov 2017, 13:34
by SKB
Re: Type 23 Frigate (Duke Class) (RN) [News Only]
Posted: 24 Nov 2017, 16:53
by SKB
Defence Secretary announces Type 23 base port moves
(Royal Navy)
Changes to the base porting of the Royal Navy’s Type 23 frigates will see some new additions to the flotillas of Portsmouth and Devonport.
Defence Secretary Gavin Williamson today announced a series of moves which will see the Royal Navy’s eight Type 23 anti-submarine warfare frigates all based in Plymouth, while the remaining five general purposes frigates will be based in Portsmouth.
The moves will see some frigates switching from one naval base to another, and will bring benefits to force generation, operational readiness, training and logistics as well as more stability for ships’ crews and their families.
The base port changes will take place during unmanned maintenance and upkeep periods over a period of five years, starting with the move of HMS Richmond from Portsmouth to Plymouth in 2018.
Re: Type 23 Frigate (Duke Class) (RN) [News Only]
Posted: 24 Nov 2017, 17:28
by SKB
HMS Argyll too?
Re: Type 23 Frigate (Duke Class) (RN) [News Only]
Posted: 26 Nov 2017, 18:59
by sea_eagle
The announcement does not provide any explanation for the move? Is this simply a cost saving to consolidate the 8 ASW T23 to Devonport and the 5 GP to Portsmouth? Is it for efficiency? For either of these reasons why was it not done years ago?
Re: Type 23 Frigate (Duke Class) (RN) [News Only]
Posted: 26 Nov 2017, 20:11
by dmereifield
sea_eagle wrote:The announcement does not provide any explanation for the move? Is this simply a cost saving to consolidate the 8 ASW T23 to Devonport and the 5 GP to Portsmouth? Is it for efficiency? For either of these reasons why was it not done years ago?
Would this generate significant efficiencies? And if so, or whatever the rationale, why are the ASW hulls coming to Devonport instead of being up with the carriers? Is it just out of convenience (minimising disruption to crews etc) due to the bulk of the ASW hulls already being in Devonport, and that the GPs are already in Pompey?
Is it possibly to soften the blow of losing one, or both, of the Albion's?
Re: Type 23 Frigate (Duke Class) (RN) [News Only]
Posted: 26 Nov 2017, 22:15
by Aethulwulf
sea_eagle wrote:The announcement does not provide any explanation for the move? Is this simply a cost saving to consolidate the 8 ASW T23 to Devonport and the 5 GP to Portsmouth? Is it for efficiency? For either of these reasons why was it not done years ago?
Having all the maintenance, expertise and spares for the ASW sonars in one location should be more efficient, but I don't imagine that the savings will be huge otherwise (as you say) it would have been done years ago.
So why now?
It appears that the move is going to take some years, but will be completed shortly before the T31 is due in service. Having a single class concentrated at each yard (T26 Devonport, T31 Portsmouth) will generate a lot of savings. So it makes sense to start to make the change now.
Basing the ASW frigates in Devonport, while the Carriers and T45 are in Portsmouth should not cause any real issues. It is not as if they could practice carrier group ASW manoeuvring while going round and round the Isle of Wight.
Re: Type 23 Frigate (Duke Class) (RN) [News Only]
Posted: 27 Nov 2017, 03:25
by marktigger
or move the 23 to devonport to allow Portsmouth to redevelop as the BaE support hub for 26,31 and 45 ?
the move brings them closer to the ASW helicopter force at culdrose. Would really make sense to have all the ASW assets grouped down here
Re: Type 23 Frigate (Duke Class) (RN) [News Only]
Posted: 27 Nov 2017, 20:21
by R686
SKB wrote:
HMS Argyll too?
Hopefully that will see greater participation and integration with major fleet exercise with FPDA and on ADF homesoil ex.
I really want to see the RN come to Tailsman Saber as a combined fleet of RAN/RN amphibious warfare vessel
Re: Type 23 Frigate (Duke Class) (RN) [News Only]
Posted: 28 Nov 2017, 12:32
by SKB
Re: Type 23 Frigate (Duke Class) (RN) [News Only]
Posted: 01 Dec 2017, 18:24
by SKB
Re: Type 23 Frigate (Duke Class) (RN) [News Only]
Posted: 21 Dec 2017, 01:02
by chinook88
Royal Navy Completes MBDA Sea Ceptor Missile Firing Trials
During his visit to Australia, Defence Secretary Gavin Williamson has announced that HMS Sutherland will sail through the South China Sea "next month" (after visiting Australia) to assert freedom-of-navigation rights.
